[Ansteorra] "We know you're wishin' that we'd go awaaaayyy..."

[HerrDetlef]

A little more trivia: the 'Holy Office' is now known as the 'Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith,' whose prefect was Josef Cardinal Ratzinger
prior to his elevation to the papacy in 2005.

It was under Ratzinger's watch that the Dominican priest Matthew Fox and the
Jesuit priest John J. McNeill were both silenced by the CDF.


On 7/17/08, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The 'founding fathers' of the Inquisition actually came from the Order of
> Preachers.  The Dominicans were first dispatched to the south of France to
> eradicate the heresy of Albigensianism, and thus was born what was for the
> longest time known as 'The Holy Office.'
>
> Bit of irony: I have heard the year 1600 identified as the beginning of the
> modern period, with the execution of Giordano Bruno on charges of heresy and
> the banishment of science to the secular world.  From what I remember, he,
> too, was a Dominican friar, like the men who sent him to the stake.
>
> The Jesuits were initially closely associated with the Counter-Reformation,
> and with the Roman church's often-times ruthless efforts at conversion in
> the New World and the Far East.
>
> Recently, however, the Jesuits have been known for their relative
> liberalism, and as such they have lost much of their privileged position in
> relation to the established church.  I have heard that the Archbishop of New
> Orleans has forbidden Jesuit priests in his jurisdiction to perform
> marriages and baptisms...although that could be financially motivated as
> well as politically motivated, since the funds generated through performing
> baptisms and marriages go to the provincial superiors of the SJ if Jesuits
> perform those ceremonies, while the money from ceremonies performed by
> diocesan priests goes to the diocese.  I'm not sure what the specifics are
> about this situation, and truth be told, I've only HEARD this....never
> confirmed.  I'll leave that to someone else.
>
> As far as the Benedictines, the only ones I have ever known have been
> pretty 'Church of What's Happening Now.'  They've never been associated with
> the Inquisition.
>
> Then again, I'm pretty partial to the Benedictines, so surely clouded a bit
> by bias.
>
> P&B,
> DT+LF
>
>
>
>
> On 7/17/08, Carolyn Young <caitlin37 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, really!?!  And here all this time I thought the Jesuits were the
>> 'Founding Fathers' of the Inquisitions with the Benedictines not too far
>> behind.  They did some real damage in Japan, too, but that was out of
>> period.
>>
>> HL Caitlin, Carolyn, Lyn, Mom, Grandma
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Buchanan" <
>> scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] "We know you're wishin' that we'd go
>> awaaaayyy..."
>>
>>
>> Actually the Jesuits are probably the most tolerant of
>>> all the Catholic brothers.
>>>
>>>> I mean, it *is* run by Jesuits, after all.  And if
>>>> you're talking about
>>>> enforcing doctrine and _propaganda fide_, the
>>>> Reverend and his tent revival
>>>> ain't got nothin' on the smiling, rosy-faced
>>>> Monsignors.
>>>>
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-- 
Hwæt! We Gardena         in geardagum,
þeodcyninga,         þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas         ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing         sceaþena þreatum,
monegum mægþum,         meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas.         Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden,         he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum,         weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc         þara ymbsittendra
ofer hronrade         hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan.         þæt wæs god cyning!

Beowulf, 1-11