[Ansteorra] Proposed change in waterbearing
engtrktwo at gmail.com
Tue Jun 17 11:33:04 PDT 2008
I, personally, think that the proposal has pros and cons.
But whatever strong feelings we may have on the issue, please, I too ask
everyone to remember that questions and comments have a proper point of
contact for this issue, and that contact should be used.
email: comments at sca.org
otherwise, we are just talking to ourselves, and not making any difference
Lord Ivo Blackhawk
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a terrible idea. On the face of it we are putting people at
> practical risk in order to protect against a theoretical risk.
> This also sends a message that the Society is devaluing waterbearing.
> You can disclaim that as often as you want, but the message will still
> be there in the subtext of the measure.
> If the Society is this concerned about it, add a clause to the site
> and membership waiver to cover illness received from communal water
> and/or enact society-wide regulations of Society branch-provided
> Putting the membership at risk is not a proper response
> Everyone please give the Board a comment on this measure at the address
> Gregor MacBeathain
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:56:32 -0500
> > From: " Alasdair MacEogan " <alasdair at bmhanson.net>
> > Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request
> > for comments
> > To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org, steppes at lists.ansteorra.org
> > Message-ID: <20080617165632.7725.qmail at server289.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > I would urge everyone that has concerns about this to please provide your
> comments and thoughts to the Directors and Mr. Anderson regarding this
> > Alasdair MacEogan
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >> From: Patrick Anderson <president at sca.org>
> >> Subject: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request for comments
> >> Sent: 17 Jun '08 10:57
> >> >From the President, Patrick Anderson:
> >> Earlier this year, I was asked by several people in the waterbearing
> >> community to examine the various laws of states and countries related
> >> waterbearing as an organized and official activity of the SCA, Inc.
> >> Various states have informed officers of the SCA, Inc. that while our
> >> activity does not directly violate the food codes or health regulations
> >> of their states, if there were to be an outbreak of illness, the SCA,
> >> Inc. could be held liable for that outbreak. Several health care
> >> professionals and attorneys have reviewed this topic and agree with
> >> assessment.
> >> I was asked to examine the best way to both ensure a safe fighting
> >> environment for our fighters, and to comply with the various state and
> >> country laws. The relevant laws vary from state by state, county by
> >> county and country by country. I determined that the best way to do
> >> would be to make ?waterbearing? unofficial and unsanctioned by the SCA,
> >> Inc. and proposed this change to the Board. The only other option would
> >> be to regulate waterbearing, and to regulate it such that it follows
> >> various food safety codes of the various states and countries the SCA
> >> participates in. This would be unwieldy, impractical and expensive for
> >> the SCA to do. Further, it is likely that waterbearers would not be
> >> to continue to serve our fighters using any of the current methods of
> >> waterbearing.
> >> The proposal put before the membership for comment would stop
> >> waterbearing by any SCA branch or other official group. The SCA would
> >> not have an office of waterbearer at any level. Marshals would still be
> >> permitted to allow waterbearers on the field, but any waterbearing must
> >> not be done by any officially sanctioned or regulated groups of the
> >> Households are welcome to provide water to fighters, as are unofficial
> >> and unrecognized ?guilds?. This does not bar groups from putting out
> >> "serve yourself water coolers" at events. (In my Kingdom they are
> >> usually the big orange cylinders.)
> >> The Board and Corporate officers understand that many people have spent
> >> time waterbearing within the official framework, and now hope that you
> >> continue to volunteer unofficially. This proposal has been brought to
> >> enable fighters to continue to have a waterbearing service provided to
> >> them, without the extremely strict governance that official
> >> will require.
> >> The actual text of the proposed rule is below. This rule has not yet
> >> been approved by the Board, and is being sent out for comment here. The
> >> Directors request comments from the membership regarding this proposed
> >> revision no later than October 1st, 2008. Please send them to:
> >> Corpora Revision
> >> SCA Inc.
> >> Box 360789
> >> Milpitas CA, 95036
> >> email: comments at sca.org
> >> Thank you for commenting.
> >> Patrick Anderson
> >> President, Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> >> Proposed language to be added to Corpora:
> >> The activity of providing beverages to combatants and spectators at SCA
> >> Combat activities is not regulated, warranted, organized, controlled,
> >> sanctioned by the SCA, Inc. or any affiliate or subsidiary entity. All
> >> warrants, authorizations, or other formal recognition of this activity
> >> are by publication of this change revoked. This document does not
> >> address or restrict such volunteer activity or the methods by which it
> >> occurs.
> >> --
> >> Patrick Anderson
> >> President
> >> Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> >> president at sca.org
> >> 952-412-4112
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