[Ansteorra] Proposed change in waterbearing

[Cisco Cividanes]

I, personally, think that the proposal has pros and cons.

But whatever strong feelings we may have on the issue, please, I too ask
everyone to remember that questions and comments have a proper point of
contact for this issue, and that contact should be used.

email: comments at sca.org

otherwise, we are just talking to ourselves, and not making any difference
at all.

Lord Ivo Blackhawk



On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Joe McGrew <oscagne at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a terrible idea.  On the face of it we are putting people at
> practical risk in order to protect against a theoretical risk.
>
> This also sends a message that the Society is devaluing waterbearing.
> You can disclaim that as often as you want, but the message will still
> be there in the subtext of the measure.
>
> If the Society is this concerned about it, add a clause to the site
> and membership waiver to cover illness received from communal water
> and/or enact society-wide regulations of Society branch-provided
> water.
>
> Putting the membership at risk is not a proper response
>
> Everyone please give the Board a comment on this measure at the address
> below.
>
> Gregor MacBeathain
>
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:56:32 -0500
> > From: " Alasdair MacEogan " <alasdair at bmhanson.net>
> > Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request
> >        for     comments
> > To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org, steppes at lists.ansteorra.org
> > Message-ID: <20080617165632.7725.qmail at server289.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I would urge everyone that has concerns about this to please provide your
> comments and thoughts to the Directors  and Mr. Anderson regarding this
> proposal.
> >
> > Alasdair MacEogan
> >
> >>  -------Original Message-------
> >>  From: Patrick Anderson <president at sca.org>
> >>  Subject: [Announcements] Waterbearing proposal request for comments
> >>  Sent: 17 Jun '08 10:57
> >>
> >>  >From the President, Patrick Anderson:
> >>
> >>  Earlier this year, I was asked by several people in the waterbearing
> >>  community to examine the various laws of states and countries related
> to
> >>  waterbearing as an organized and official activity of the SCA, Inc.
> >>  Various states have informed officers of the SCA, Inc. that while our
> >>  activity does not directly violate the food codes or health regulations
> >>  of their states, if there were to be an outbreak of illness, the SCA,
> >>  Inc. could be held liable for that outbreak. Several health care
> >>  professionals and attorneys have reviewed this topic and agree with
> this
> >>  assessment.
> >>
> >>  I was asked to examine the best way to both ensure a safe fighting
> >>  environment for our fighters, and to comply with the various state and
> >>  country laws. The relevant laws vary from state by state, county by
> >>  county and country by country. I determined that the best way to do
> this
> >>  would be to make ?waterbearing? unofficial and unsanctioned by the SCA,
> >>  Inc. and proposed this change to the Board. The only other option would
> >>  be to regulate waterbearing, and to regulate it such that it follows
> the
> >>  various food safety codes of the various states and countries the SCA
> >>  participates in. This would be unwieldy, impractical and expensive for
> >>  the SCA to do. Further, it is likely that waterbearers would not be
> able
> >>  to continue to serve our fighters using any of the current methods of
> >>  waterbearing.
> >>
> >>  The proposal put before the membership for comment would stop
> >>  waterbearing by any SCA branch or other official group. The SCA would
> >>  not have an office of waterbearer at any level. Marshals would still be
> >>  permitted to allow waterbearers on the field, but any waterbearing must
> >>  not be done by any officially sanctioned or regulated groups of the
> SCA.
> >>  Households are welcome to provide water to fighters, as are unofficial
> >>  and unrecognized ?guilds?. This does not bar groups from putting out
> the
> >>  "serve yourself water coolers" at events. (In my Kingdom they are
> >>  usually the big orange cylinders.)
> >>
> >>  The Board and Corporate officers understand that many people have spent
> >>  time waterbearing within the official framework, and now hope that you
> >>  continue to volunteer unofficially. This proposal has been brought to
> >>  enable fighters to continue to have a waterbearing service provided to
> >>  them, without the extremely strict governance that official
> waterbearing
> >>  will require.
> >>
> >>  The actual text of the proposed rule is below. This rule has not yet
> >>  been approved by the Board, and is being sent out for comment here. The
> >>  Directors request comments from the membership regarding this proposed
> >>  revision no later than October 1st, 2008. Please send them to:
> >>  Corpora Revision
> >>  SCA Inc.
> >>  Box 360789
> >>  Milpitas CA, 95036
> >>  email: comments at sca.org
> >>
> >>  Thank you for commenting.
> >>
> >>  Patrick Anderson
> >>  President, Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> >>
> >>  Proposed language to be added to Corpora:
> >>  The activity of providing beverages to combatants and spectators at SCA
> >>  Combat activities is not regulated, warranted, organized, controlled,
> or
> >>  sanctioned by the SCA, Inc. or any affiliate or subsidiary entity. All
> >>  warrants, authorizations, or other formal recognition of this activity
> >>  are by publication of this change revoked. This document does not
> either
> >>  address or restrict such volunteer activity or the methods by which it
> >>  occurs.
> >>  --
> >>  Patrick Anderson
> >>  President
> >>  Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
> >>  president at sca.org
> >>  952-412-4112
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