[Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer proposal

Thu Jun 19 15:32:48 PDT 2008

Absolutely no one is saying we cannot continue doing so, we just won't be able to keep doing so officially and governed by SCA Inc 

YIS,
Lord Hugh Killingbury
Stargate Baronial Waterbearer


--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer proposal
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 5:03 PM
> Salut cozyns,
>  
> Right. 
>  
> So, in forty years of fighters drinking from squirt
> bottles, munching on orange slices, how many foodborne
> outbreaks have we seen? How many events have incurred
> inspections?
>  
> En Lyonel 
> _________________________________ 
> Impedimentum via est (The obstacle is the path)
> 
> 
> 
> > From: clan_mac at charter.net> To:
> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008
> 16:11:54 -0500> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to
> Questions-Waterbearer proposal> > > I can tell you
> that from my mundane job that the reporting of> illnesses
> is now done electronically to the Health Department, so>
> information travels quicker to an investigator. Some
> diseases are> considered an outbreak with only one or
> two cases. There are two reports> that can be done, one
> is Infectious Disease Report (required by an treating>
> facility for certain illnesses) and the other is Electronic
> Foodborne> Outbreak Reporting System which is sent to the
> CDC and states "A foodborne> outbreak is defined as
> the occurrence of two or more cases of a similar>
> illness resulting from the ingestion of a common food in
> the United States.> We can really thank the internet age
> for bringing the enforcement> side more into the public
> eye, plus computers are now tracking lab results> and
> the codes that are use
>  d identify your condition so insurance will pay.> I
> have answered a number of email since this has come out. I
> will> try to answer questions as I can. I do see both
> sides of this issue.> Although whatever happens I will
> always waterbear at events. > > In Service to
> Ansteorra,> HL Aingeal Mac an Ghabhann> > >
> -----Original Message-----> From:
> ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org>
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of
> Sir Lyonel> Oliver Grace> Sent: Thursday, June 19,
> 2008 8:01 AM> To: Alasdair MacEogan;
> ansteorra at ansteorra.org> Cc: treasurer at sca.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer
> proposal> > Salyut cozyns,> > Okay, I see by
> Aingeal's follow-up that quite a few of us somehow>
> misunderstood the goal of this proposed change. If the
> concern is not> litigation but public health department
> scrutiny, why does anyone believe> this will ever
> happen? > > Has any SCA function ever been subjected
> to a public health inspection?> > En Lyon
>  el > _________________________________ >
> Impedimentum via est (The obstacle is the path)> >
> > > > From: sirlyonel at hotmail.com> To:
> alasdair at bmhanson.net;> ansteorra at ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:47:47 +0000> CC:>
> treasurer at sca.org> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to
> Questions-Waterbearer> proposal> > Salut
> cozyns,> > Mazelle Attiya, SCA treasurer, dit qe:>
> > > >> Allow me to address two specific
> questions that numerous people have> >> asked in
> regards to the proposal dealing with water bearing
> activities.> > >> > 1. Does it mean that we
> can't use SCA Funds to purchase water,> >>
> Gatorade, food, etc for the fighters?> > > >
> The answer is yes, groups,> including kingdoms and the
> major wars can> > still use SCA Funds to purchase>
> supplies and food products for the> > populaces'
> use. Donations can still be> taken for this but instead
> of it> > going to the Waterbearer's Fund; it
> will> have to be place into a> > different Fund. I
> will be discussing this with> all the k
>  ingdom> > exchequers. The group funds currently set
> aside for> waterbearing would> > still belong to
> the group to purchase water, etc. It> just is not
> labeled> > as belonging the guild/office anymore.>
> > > Then> what's the point of the change? If
> we're really concerned that someone will> get sick
> from bad water or bad oranges handed out by our
> waterbearers, what> makes you think the scenario
> described here protects the SCA? Any decent> litigator
> will point out that, by funding the supplies, the group
> tacitly> approved the waterbearing activity. The very
> existence of this email from> the treasurer clearly
> demonstrates that the corporation is attempting to>
> insulate itself from an activity that it, too, approves.
> So, removing the> official status of the waterbearers
> and relabeling their moneys accomplishes> nothing.>
> > Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
> Perhaps you> should consider just adding some verbiage
> to the waivers instead of> undermining an activity that
> ha
>  s functioned well for years.> > Mes dos sos.>>
> > Meser Lyonel Oliver Grace>
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