[Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer proposal

Fri Jun 20 09:24:36 PDT 2008

No. The biggest issue is the possible costs and problems associated with the
regulatory agencies. It is not primarily a liability issue (though we always
try to avoid liability).

Caelin on Andrede

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Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer proposal

>From what I gathered from the announcement and request for comments, the
concern was not about possible inspections bu Public health officials, but
the removal of the liability from the SCA as a company should an incident
happen, as voice by the legal minds that were questioned about it.

If a group supplies in any way any supplies, food, water, etc. then no
amount of us says that we are not responsible because it is not
"officially" in our rules allowing it, nor says we have rules "fobidding"
it from being officially sanctioned will protect us. I believe a first
year law student could argue and win that if we supply the materials...we
are responsible to ensure the safety of said materials, both in the source
we obtain it and the manner in which it is given to the members, self
service or not. If we can still supply the materials with group funds or
if we even allow it to occur by a group effort, we are stating that we
sanction the activity.

Individuals would have to be repsonsible to supply their own water/food
items from their own pockets and the group can have no part in financing
the  activity to even have a chance to remove the SCA from the potential
liability.

and unfortunately that would need to include feasts as well. Same set of
laws and regulations govern both water and food preparation and serving

Rurik
8 years experience as a health inspector with the US Army

> Salut cozyns,
>
> Right.
>
> So, in forty years of fighters drinking from squirt bottles, munching on
> orange slices, how many foodborne outbreaks have we seen? How many events
> have incurred inspections?
>
> En Lyonel
> _________________________________
> Impedimentum via est (The obstacle is the path)
>
>
>
>> From: clan_mac at charter.net> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org> Date:
>> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:11:54 -0500> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers to
>> Questions-Waterbearer proposal> > > I can tell you that from my mundane
>> job that the reporting of> illnesses is now done electronically to the
>> Health Department, so> information travels quicker to an investigator.
>> Some diseases are> considered an outbreak with only one or two cases.
>> There are two reports> that can be done, one is Infectious Disease
>> Report (required by an treating> facility for certain illnesses) and the
>> other is Electronic Foodborne> Outbreak Reporting System which is sent
>> to the CDC and states "A foodborne> outbreak is defined as the
>> occurrence of two or more cases of a similar> illness resulting from the
>> ingestion of a common food in the United States.> We can really thank
>> the internet age for bringing the enforcement> side more into the public
>> eye, plus computers are now tracking lab results> and the codes that are
>> use
>  d identify your condition so insurance will pay.> I have answered a
> number of email since this has come out. I will> try to answer questions
> as I can. I do see both sides of this issue.> Although whatever happens I
> will always waterbear at events. > > In Service to Ansteorra,> HL Aingeal
> Mac an Ghabhann> > > -----Original Message-----> From:
> ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org>
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Sir Lyonel>
> Oliver Grace> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:01 AM> To: Alasdair
> MacEogan; ansteorra at ansteorra.org> Cc: treasurer at sca.org> Subject: Re:
> [Ansteorra] Answers to Questions-Waterbearer proposal> > Salyut cozyns,>
> > Okay, I see by Aingeal's follow-up that quite a few of us somehow>
> misunderstood the goal of this proposed change. If the concern is not>
> litigation but public health department scrutiny, why does anyone
> believe> this will ever happen? > > Has any SCA function ever been
> subjected to a public health inspection?> > En Lyon
>  el > _________________________________ > Impedimentum via est (The
> obstacle is the path)> > > > > From: sirlyonel at hotmail.com> To:
> alasdair at bmhanson.net;> ansteorra at ansteorra.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008
> 12:47:47 +0000> CC:> treasurer at sca.org> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Answers
> to Questions-Waterbearer> proposal> > Salut cozyns,> > Mazelle Attiya,
> SCA treasurer, dit qe:> > > >> Allow me to address two specific questions
> that numerous people have> >> asked in regards to the proposal dealing
> with water bearing activities.> > >> > 1. Does it mean that we can't use
> SCA Funds to purchase water,> >> Gatorade, food, etc for the fighters?> >
> > > The answer is yes, groups,> including kingdoms and the major wars
> can> > still use SCA Funds to purchase> supplies and food products for
> the> > populaces' use. Donations can still be> taken for this but instead
> of it> > going to the Waterbearer's Fund; it will> have to be place into
> a> > different Fund. I will be discussing this with> all the k
>  ingdom> > exchequers. The group funds currently set aside for>
> waterbearing would> > still belong to the group to purchase water, etc.
> It> just is not labeled> > as belonging the guild/office anymore.> > >
> Then> what's the point of the change? If we're really concerned that
> someone will> get sick from bad water or bad oranges handed out by our
> waterbearers, what> makes you think the scenario described here protects
> the SCA? Any decent> litigator will point out that, by funding the
> supplies, the group tacitly> approved the waterbearing activity. The very
> existence of this email from> the treasurer clearly demonstrates that the
> corporation is attempting to> insulate itself from an activity that it,
> too, approves. So, removing the> official status of the waterbearers and
> relabeling their moneys accomplishes> nothing.> > Your damned if you do
> and damned if you don't. Perhaps you> should consider just adding some
> verbiage to the waivers instead of> undermining an activity that ha
>  s functioned well for years.> > Mes dos sos.>> > Meser Lyonel Oliver
> Grace> _________________________________ >> Impedimentum via est (The
> obstacle is the path)> > > > >>
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