[Ansteorra] Veiling

[Maria Buchanan]

I beg to differ with you.  However, I have been to all three all conducted in the English language and I can tell you the rituals are different.  Period.  
The Orthodox church has 3 versions of itself, just as the Catholic church in general has 6 - the 3 orthodox, RC, Anglican, and Episcopal.  I have been to all 6 different churches, all conducted in the English language.  And they are all different.
You may have been told that the 3 orthodox churches are the same (the one difference being language) but they are not.
Maria

--- On Thu, 3/5/09, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Veiling
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 4:59 AM
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Buchanan
> <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > You MUST be talking about an Orthodox Catholic church.
>  I have never heard of a RC church in America denying
> communion to a woman who didn't have her hair covered.
> 
> It's not a rule for the Orthodox either.
> 
> > I probably should have mentioned that earlier.  I was
> raised RC not Orthodox.  They are different churches.
>  Also Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox and Ukranian
> Orthodox are all different churches - three different
> versions of the Orthodox church.
> 
> Pardon me while I ding about slightly. . . Different
> versions?  Only
> if you are considering music and language issues. 
> Same-same
> otherwise.
> 
> Speaking of which, let me address that for the Orthodox.  A
> lot
> depends on precisely how conservative that particular
> parish
> is--almost all the older women would have their hair
> covered, and many
> of the younger do it as a personal expression of piety. 
> There's not,
> at least in the parishes I attended, any pressure other
> than a little
> peer pressure.  Of course, a Greek grandmother's idea
> of 'a little
> peer pressure' can be a little .  . . unsubtle
> 
> However, to veer sharply back to a discussion of Period
> cultures, I
> can pretty much say that for the East, the only time you
> see an adult
> woman without a head covering depicted in art, would be:
> 
> Young women/girls
> dancers/acrobats/actors/prostitutes (these categories blur
> considerably in Byzantine urban culture)
> Empresses (who wear crowns)
> Depictions of rural peasant young women doing manual labor
> for which
> head coverings would be impractical.
> 
> Our written evidence supports this conclusion pretty
> strongly as well.
> 
> Certainly at a formal event, to include a religious
> service, pre-1600,
> any woman barring an Empress wearing a crown, would have
> their heads
> covered anywhere in Eastern Europe.
> 
> Ioannes Dalassenos
> -- 
> "Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks,
> we've slain them again
> and again.  We're looking for thousands of
> Persians."
> --Vita Aureliani
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