[Ansteorra] Ok...so I'm a dummy

[rfknight2251 at aol.com]

Serene, 
I just have to ask. Is Robin either obscure or obsolete?
Las-----Morgan



-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rudin <serena1570 at yahoo.com>
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sun, Nov 29, 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ok...so I'm a dummy


Emma de Fetherstan wrote:

> The term you're looking for is "not recorded in the OP". :)
 Non-armigerous awards are defined as awards that do not carry an
 inherent award of arms with them. They may or may not carry precedence
 and may or may not be recorded in the OP, depending on the award.
 
 For example, the Sable Falcon is a non-armigerous award that is
 recorded in the OP, and that carries a precedence lower than an Award
 of Arms, but higher than the now-closed Principality of Ansteorra
 award "Order of the Madonnas of Ansteorra".
While I am not fond of the idea of correcting my heraldic boss, the Star
rincipal Herald, I feel it is my duty at this point so to do:
This is a common misconception.  None of the Ansteorran non-armigerous 
wards (Sable Falcon, Rising Star, Queen's Rapier, etc.) carry any 
recedence, per their respective constitutions.  Only those titles, awards, 
nd orders which have database codes of 01-19 carry precedence, e.g., 
arch in a March of Precedence. This is clear in the OP printed in 1987,
ith the Order of March signed by the then-Crown and Star Principal 
erald.  All awards and orders coded 20 or higher are simply there for what 
ne can best describe as "bookkeeping purposes"; they are all equally
nranked and without precedence.  The only reason they have different 
umbers is for classification purposes, so we can tell at a quick glance which
on-armigerous awards are kingdom, principality, foreign, etc.
This misconception derives from the long-ago decision to call the database
f Ansteorran awards the "Order of Precedence", even though said database
ncludes kingdom awards that carry no precedence, and the much more recent, 
nfortunate conflation of the listing of the award abbreviations and the
rder of March.
Admittedly, a full March of Precedence, of all armigerous attendees at an event, 
hasn't taken place in this kingdom in at least twenty years, so I can see how 
ewer members would be confused about this.
--Serena Lascelles, Blanc Gryffon Herald
wice Zodiacus Herald
eeper of obscure and obsolete precedence information (along with Robin)

      
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