[Ansteorra] Laurel's Prize Tourney (was Point Scores)

Wed Feb 17 14:19:44 PST 2010

Duh.  I suppose it might be appropriate to mention what is required for LPT:
A hall (or other open area) that will accommodate about 30 tables; about 30
tables; a Royal's room, a room for the Laurel's to meet; an area for
performance; side board luncheon.  Usually, there is no feast.  This is one
of the easiest Kingdom events to steward.

~ihon

"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"

Unknown (but I wish it had been me)

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:01 PM, John Hirling <jhirling at gmail.com> wrote:

> And speaking of Laurel's Prize Tourney, bids are do no later than the end
> of March.  LPT was in Seawinds in 2009.  There was no LPT in 2008 (Hurricane
> Ike took care of that).  2007 was in Emerald Keep. North Region?  South
> Region? Bids would be welcome from you, especially.
>
> ihon vinson macFergus
> Kingdom Minister of Arts & Sciences
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> "Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass . . .
> it's about learning how to dance in the rain!"
>
> Unknown (but I wish it had been me)
>
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> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Elisava Illiesca <
> thebloodymistress at satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> There is an event like this, Laurel Prize Tournament.
>> I had the opportunity to go to the last one, and put out my art, and
>> received a lot of very helpful positive feedback from the Laurels.
>> the feedback has helped me a lot with improving my art and I really
>> enjoyed it.
>> -Lady Elisava Illiesca
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose" <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
>>
>> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Point Scores
>>
>>
>> I would like to go to an event where, instead of (or in addition to) an
>> arts and sciences competition, there were an arts and sciences commentary
>> instead.
>>
>> I would like to set out what I've finished and/or am working on, and
>> instead of a judge writing a score on a form, they speak to me instead, and
>> tell me what they think. Saves paper and misunderstandings. :)
>>
>> I think that the idea of a score is really daunting, whereas having a
>> short conversation with a more learned person on a topic that I love doesn't
>> seem scary at all. I know that I'd have to sit by my work and wait, as
>> opposed to setting it down and walking away, but it would so be worth it!
>> (Especially if there were a bunch of us. It would be like an artists
>> luncheon, plus constructive advice hour. In other words, heaven!)
>>
>> Anyway, there's probably something like this already, and I've just missed
>> it... :)
>>
>> Note: I'm NOT saying that we should do away with competition! I would just
>> like to see this occasionally, in addition to the wonderful artistic
>> activities that our kingdom already does.)
>>
>>
>> -Rose the Obnoxious
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>>
>> Wonder is the cause of delight because it carries the hope of overy.
>> -Thomas Aquinas
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>> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Christie Ward <val_org at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Shenanigans and calculating point scores
>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:45 PM
>>
>>
>> One of the things that the Laurels Retreats have tried to do is to help
>> Ansteorran Laurels "calibrate" judging by bringing some sample items to
>> judge, then discussing the scores assigned at various ends of the spectrum
>> and why.
>>
>> Despite such efforts, scoring A&S is really variable. Some judges start at
>> a perfect score and deduct. Some people start at the median score and add or
>> subtract from there. For me, on a 100 point scoring system, 100 points would
>> represent an item that was 100% period in technique and materials, and
>> well-documented. I have co-judged with people who refused to give a perfect
>> score because the only piece that would merit such in their eyes would BE an
>> actual period artifact (a view I found illogical and unreasonable, but what
>> are ya gonna do?)
>>
>> The "well-documented" part is because WITHOUT good documentation, there's
>> really no way for the judge to be able to assess how splendiferous the piece
>> really is. You could have a "perfectly period in practically every way"
>> piece that the judges can't score well because you didn't provide enough
>> info in the documentation to allow them to do so. Not sure what to do with
>> documentation? The Laurels' Website has good "how to write documentation"
>> articles available to help you at http://laurel.ansteorra.org/
>>
>> I also think it's a GREAT idea for EVERY SINGLE ARTIST who ever enters a
>> scored A&S competition to ask a Laurel to let you accompany them and help
>> judge a few times. The reason why is that when you yourself have to figure
>> out what to put on the page, you QUICKLY find it's harder than you would
>> think! Doing this with a Laurel who will explain their thought processes to
>> you as they develop the score for an item can be invaluable in understanding
>> the scores you receive on your own work. EIther help judge an area you are
>> not entered in yourself, or judge at a competition where you have no entry
>> at all to maintain fairness.
>>
>> One of the harsh realities of serving as an A&S judge and giving real
>> feedback is that some people entering these contests are unwilling to
>> receive anything BUT praise. I've had people who told me to my face to "not
>> pull any punches, tell me the harsh truth" get all bent out of shape when I
>> suggested places they could improve their next project. Don't take your
>> score as being equivalent to a scholastic "grade". It's just a point total
>> on a judging form, not a commentary on your worth as a human being.
>>
>> My personal belief is that if you do not genuinely want to know how you
>> could improve a piece, you should not enter it into competition. If all you
>> want is praise, you should take it to a Laurel and say, "See my spiffy new
>> whatsis! Isn't it lovel?" This cues the Laurel to make a generally amiable
>> statement, smile brightly, and sidle away to make a break for it. You can
>> also get this effect by entering populace-judged bean-count competitions.
>>
>> ::GUNNVOR::
>>
>> Still long-winded.
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