[Ansteorra] (was Story from Crown Tourney) A&S outside
gail young
gwynethb63 at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 12 14:58:27 PDT 2010
There have been at least 2 King's College's completely outside.
If you have an idea for an A&S event held outdoors, please email myself or the
new Kingdom Minister of A&S. The laurel's will be meeting in a couple of weeks
and we can discuss how to make it work.
gwyneth
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From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>
To: Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Story from Crown Tourney
Again, this weekend was only 90 degrees. There are only a handful of events per
year ( if that) that are 70 degrees with partly cloudy sky's, a constant but
gentle breeze, and a wonderfully shaded site. I have even suggested that the A&S
events be held outdoors under pavilions (and yes the ones I was showing at). I
was told that I, unlike the Mythbusters, would never get that lead balloon to
fly, so I acquiesced. I would humbly ask the same of those who care to watch my
most cherished pastime to do the same. All of that being said, I am certain I
could organize a demonstration of period sword techniques in any number of
venues.
Gramercy,
Sir Lochlan Dunn
--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Story from Crown Tourney
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 4:08 PM
The proponents for outdoor fighting makes it sound as though indoor fighting is
the worst possible scenario. Well, I've been to plenty of indoor fighting
events, and seen even more indoor fighter practices. Do we have any statistics
to back up the claim of increased injuries? If so, how to they compare to
injuries by heat? Facts are good.
I *know* that it's perfectly acceptable to fight indoors. Indeed, that was the
backup plan for this Crown, if lightning decided to join us. (Because it's okay
to make accommodations for the worst
rain, lightning, snow, or any other weather condition: it's apparently
just heat that makes the macho bone go 'Ting!'.)
Yes, there was a wonderfully air-conditioned hall on-site. But I didn't drive
all that way, pay my site fee, and do my share of volunteering to sit inside and
read a book, which is what I spent most of Crown Tournament doing. Is that what
the fighters are suggesting that we do?
Robin of Gilwell, your e-mail was wonderfully eloquent. You make it sound as
though we should all pick up metal swords and run each other through with them,
for maximum glorious stupidity, and anyone who doesn't agree is a coward.
As I'm sure you know, the rules for our hobbies aren't about mitigating *all*
risk. They're about working toward *acceptable* risk. I propose that I don't
find extreme heat to be acceptable and I'd like my voice to be heard.
(I didn't think that people would respond to my simple request to be considered
as though I'd suggested that we choose a King by having a chess tournament. :P)
I may not be a fighter, but I've been in armor before, and I understand
everything that Lady Helene mentioned except the desire to fight in extreme
heat. There are fighters that don't understand it, either. And we are asking to
be heard. Is that such a crazy thing?
I've repeatedly stated that I understand that most of the fighters want to fight
outside in the worst heat. So statements saying that fighters want to fight
outside, fighters should just condition themselves, fighters should just learn
to listen to their bodies, and accept that they may get heat stroke, anyway,
don't carry any water.
It's not about risk, it's not about telling fighters where and when they should
fight, and my request for consideration isn't even about the damned fighters at
all. (Whom I love and am proud of.) We get it. You want to be macho. That's
fine.
But fighters who want to fight outside in the worst heat, no matter what, are
asking the *entire populace* to condition themselves, to stay out in the worst
heat, and to listen to their bodies. You are asking this of everyone from
toddlers to the elderly. Quite of few of us are replying:
We don't want to.
And if we can talk about staying staying outdoors in the worst heat because some
parts of our populace wants to, then we should be able to talk about making
accommodations in the worst heat because some of our populace wants to.
I mean, there are historical arguments for and against, there are health
arguments for and against, there are moral arguments for and against, and all it
comes down the fact that alot of us want indoor fighting during the worst heat,
and alot of us don't want that.
Are the fighters going to insist that we keep doing this
exactly as we have been, and to hell with the rest of us? Or is it
possible that the resourceful minds of our gloriously brilliant
Kingdom can come up with a happy medium?
This discussion makes it seem as though it would be disloyal to our warriors to
even try to make everyone happy, or to even put forward a solution. And that's
sad.
-Rose the Obnoxious
who hopes to actually get to see next year's Crown
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