[Ansteorra] (was Story from Crown Tourney) A&S outside

[gail young]

There have been at least 2 King's College's completely outside.  
If you have an idea for an A&S event held outdoors, please email myself or the 
new Kingdom Minister of A&S.  The laurel's will be meeting in a couple of weeks 
and we can discuss how to make it work.
gwyneth




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From: Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>
To: Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 4:36:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Story from Crown Tourney

Again, this weekend was only 90 degrees. There are only a handful of events per 
year ( if that) that are 70 degrees with partly cloudy sky's,  a constant but 
gentle breeze, and a wonderfully shaded site. I have even suggested that the A&S 
events be held outdoors under pavilions (and yes the ones I was showing at). I 
was told that I, unlike the Mythbusters, would never get that lead balloon to 
fly, so I acquiesced. I would humbly ask the same of those who care to watch my 
most cherished pastime to do the same. All of that being said, I am certain I 
could organize a demonstration of period sword techniques in any number of 
venues. 


Gramercy,

Sir Lochlan Dunn   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Rose <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Story from Crown Tourney
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 4:08 PM

The proponents for outdoor fighting makes it sound as though indoor fighting is 
the worst possible scenario. Well, I've been to plenty of indoor fighting 
events, and seen even more indoor fighter practices. Do we have any statistics 
to back up the claim of increased injuries? If so, how to they compare to 
injuries by heat? Facts are good.

I *know* that it's perfectly acceptable to fight indoors. Indeed, that was the 
backup plan for this Crown, if lightning decided to join us. (Because it's okay 
to make accommodations for the worst
rain, lightning, snow, or any other weather condition: it's apparently
just heat that makes the macho bone go 'Ting!'.)

Yes, there was a wonderfully air-conditioned hall on-site. But I didn't drive 
all that way, pay my site fee, and do my share of volunteering to sit inside and 
read a book, which is what I spent most of Crown Tournament doing. Is that what 
the fighters are suggesting that we do?

Robin of Gilwell, your e-mail was wonderfully eloquent. You make it sound as 
though we should all pick up metal swords and run each other through with them, 
for maximum glorious stupidity, and anyone who doesn't agree is a coward.

As I'm sure you know, the rules for our hobbies aren't about mitigating *all* 
risk. They're about working toward *acceptable* risk. I propose that I don't 
find extreme heat to be acceptable and I'd like my voice to be heard.

(I didn't think that people would respond to my simple request to be considered 
as though I'd suggested that we choose a King by having a chess tournament. :P)

I may not be a fighter, but I've been in armor before, and I understand 
everything that Lady Helene mentioned except the desire to fight in extreme 
heat. There are fighters that don't understand it, either. And we are asking to 
be heard. Is that such a crazy thing?

I've repeatedly stated that I understand that most of the fighters want to fight 
outside in the worst heat. So statements saying that fighters want to fight 
outside, fighters should just condition themselves, fighters should just learn 
to listen to their bodies, and accept that they may get heat stroke, anyway, 
don't carry any water.

It's not about risk, it's not about telling fighters where and when they should 
fight, and my request for consideration isn't even about the damned fighters at 
all. (Whom I love and am proud of.) We get it. You want to be macho. That's 
fine.

But fighters who want to fight outside in the worst heat, no matter what, are 
asking the *entire populace* to condition themselves, to stay out in the worst 
heat, and to listen to their bodies. You are asking this of everyone from 
toddlers to the elderly. Quite of few of us are replying:

We don't want to.

And if we can talk about staying staying outdoors in the worst heat because some 
parts of our populace wants to, then we should be able to talk about making 
accommodations in the worst heat because some of our populace wants to.

I mean, there are historical arguments for and against, there are health 
arguments for and against, there are moral arguments for and against, and all it 
comes down the fact that alot of us want indoor fighting during the worst heat, 
and alot of us don't want that.

Are the fighters going to insist that we keep doing this
exactly as we have been, and to hell with the rest of us? Or is it
possible that the resourceful minds of our gloriously brilliant
Kingdom can come up with a happy medium?

This discussion makes it seem as though it would be disloyal to our warriors to 
even try to make everyone happy, or to even put forward a solution. And that's 
sad.



-Rose the Obnoxious
who hopes to actually get to see next year's Crown
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