[Ansteorra] Lady of the Lake
Will Manning
winther.der.truwe at gmail.com
Mon May 17 17:57:01 PDT 2010
Ok the official rules for the Cooking Competition straight from the
Feast Steward.........Any marinades, rubs, spices, etc. May be
prepared before coming to site. The secret ingredient will be given on
site. Documentation is not required or neccesary. Bringing your own
grill, or cooking aparatus is highly recommended, as the onsite
facility is reserved for the Feast Steward. Any other questions maybe
directed to the Feast Steward or posted on the list......
For Lord Wilhelm von Kohln
In Service
Herr Winther der Truwe
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> 1. Re: King's College Classes (paul rieke)
> 2. Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (ld.blackmoon)
> 3. ISO of Owner or Owners of Ansteorran Banner's Gold with
> Black Star (Richard Dale)
> 4. ISO Kingdom Chamberlain (Richard Dale)
> 5. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> (charlescalhoun at sbcglobal.net)
> 6. Warlord Gate Shifts (Honour DuBois)
> 7. Pictures and Portraits from Coronation (Marc Carlson)
> 8. Pics of several event (Richard Threlkeld)
> 9. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (ld.blackmoon)
> 10. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (Jay Rudin)
> 11. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> (Zubeydah Jamilla al-Badawiyyah)
> 12. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (Brian O'hUilliam)
> 13. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (Diane Rudin)
> 14. Re: Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2 (ld.blackmoon)
> 15. Queens this Saturday - hotels and other info (Julie Cunningham)
> 16. Round Table in July (Sher M)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 11:58:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: paul rieke <pdkrieke at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] King's College Classes
> Message-ID: <763733.53401.qm at web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Dear Thomas-
>
> Just wanted to let you know that my letter has arrived and I am once again
> legal to conduct children's activities.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fedelm
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Thomas Smith <attewoode at gmail.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 11:29:45 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] King's College Classes
>
> Greetings to the Good Gentles of Ansteorra,
>
> I understand there has been some uncertainty about class submissions for the
> upcoming King's College.? Please let me try to put these uncertainties to
> rest.
>
> If you have volunteered to teach a class for King's College, THANK YOU!? You
> should have received an acknowledgement from the Class Coordinator.? If you
> did not, contact myself or Lady Petronia and we will get that sorted out.
>
> My class coordinator, Lady Petronia, has been working to a specific plan:
> class submissions are open until May 15th.? Immediately after submissions
> close, she will go through the classes and set up the schedule.? This should
> take no more than 3 days.? She will then send out final confirmations to all
> the teachers, confirming that, yes, you are on the schedule and when your
> class(es) are scheduled.? There are no special criteria or policies for
> getting your class accepted.? She just wants to get all the information
> together and see how it all fits together before giving out final
> confirmations.
>
> That being said, I have checked with her and we are not aware of any
> duplicate classes. Nor are we overbooked.? So if you have submitted a class,
> you can assume that you will be on the schedule.? Final confirmations will
> be sent out on or about the 18th of May.? This leaves 5 1/2 weeks till the
> event for teachers to finish any preparations.? If you need more lead time
> than that, let us know.
>
> Again, if you have volunteered to teach, thank you!? I look forward to
> seeling on June 26th.? If you have not volunteered to teach, why not?? You
> still have 12 days to get on the schedule.? If anyone has been confused or
> uncertain about their classes, I am very sorry.? Hopefully, this has cleared
> things up.
>
> Yours in Service,
> Thomas atte Woode
> Eevent Steward for King's College
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:08:41 -0500
> From: "ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> To: "Etienne de St. Amaranth" <northern at seneschal.ansteorra.org>,
> "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID: <4C1279ED434D447E88A4EA48A9B238C8 at blackmoon1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> sorry, sent to wrong e-dress 1st time : (
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ld.blackmoon
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:02 PM
> Subject: award regalia pics ?
>
>
> greetings
>
> there are probably many people in the society, that like me are heraldicly
> challenged, and couldn't tell the difference in a hagen daz vert, with a
> muffy ore cantelevered , and a sable horse pouchant bordered erminy pinkish.
> and as much as i hold those that not only understand herald speak, but speak
> it fluently ,in awe, is there someplace that shows pic's or drawings of "
> all " ansteorran and society level awards ?
> i found a place that shows many "
> http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm " but there are several that
> say
> " Blazon: None Registered. " does that mean that nobody has bothered to
> registered a device for those awards ?
> if so , who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they begin ?
>
>
> also, since i know nothing of how these things are done, when i go to the
> web page for awards
> " http://heraldry.ansteorra.org/honors/ " there are several blanks, for the
> uninformed masses ( namely me ; ), why ?
> i suspect that those awards dont have regalia approved yet , but am unsure.
> anyway , as a way to help everyone be informed , and polite, in the section
> on " nobility " couldn't the heralds put pics, or drawings of the apropriate
> " type " of brass hat that each may wear ? ( pointy? leafy?pearly, etc ) all
> i know is if its flat its normally a baron or baroness , and if its nothing
> but gold, and a big black star you bow extra low ; ) , but all the
> different types of hats can be very confusing even to me who has played for
> over 28 years, let alone those more recent to the society.
>
> ok, now that i've ask a lot of questions , hopefully i will understand the
> answers ; )
> " ignorance is correctable , stupidity isn't "
>
> " pretty starts on the surface, beauty starts in your heart ; )
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
> Arthur
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:41:11 -0500
> From: Richard Dale <nolendale at gmail.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO of Owner or Owners of Ansteorran Banner's
> Gold with Black Star
> Message-ID:
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> Please Contact Me
> Master Richard Fairbourne
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:18:15 -0500
> From: Richard Dale <nolendale at gmail.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] ISO Kingdom Chamberlain
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> Could you please contact me?
>
> Master richard fairbourne
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:24:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: charlescalhoun at sbcglobal.net
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID: <738725.13601.qm at web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Once you have the page showing, go to the top right and click on
> "Insignia Gallery" and then click on the award you wish to see.
>
> Sean of Colquhoun
> Love all,Trust a few,Do wrong to none. Shakespeare
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> From: ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
>> To: "Etienne de St. Amaranth" <northern at seneschal.ansteorra.org>, "Kingdom
>> of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 6:08 PM
>> sorry, sent to wrong e-dress 1st time
>> : (
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
>> Arthur
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ld.blackmoon
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:02 PM
>> Subject: award regalia pics ?
>>
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> there are probably many people in the society, that like me
>> are heraldicly challenged, and couldn't tell the difference
>> in a hagen daz vert, with a muffy ore cantelevered , and a
>> sable horse pouchant bordered erminy pinkish.
>> and as much as i hold those that not only understand herald
>> speak, but speak it fluently ,in awe, is there someplace
>> that shows pic's or drawings of " all " ansteorran and
>> society level awards ?
>> i found a place that shows many "
>> http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm? "
>> but there are several that say
>> " Blazon: None Registered. "? does that mean that
>> nobody has bothered to registered a device for those awards
>> ?
>> if so , who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they
>> begin ?
>>
>>
>> also, since i know nothing of how these things are done,
>> when i go to the web page for awards
>> " http://heraldry.ansteorra.org/honors/? " there are
>> several blanks, for the uninformed masses ( namely me ; ),
>> why ?
>> i suspect that those awards dont have regalia approved yet
>> , but am unsure.
>> anyway , as? a way to help everyone be informed , and
>> polite, in the section on " nobility " couldn't the heralds
>> put pics, or drawings of the apropriate " type " of brass
>> hat that each may wear ? ( pointy? leafy?pearly, etc ) all i
>> know is if its flat its normally a baron or baroness , and
>> if its nothing but gold, and a big black star you bow extra
>> low ; )? , but all the different types of hats can be
>> very confusing even to me who has played for over 28 years,
>> let alone those more recent to the society.
>>
>> ok, now that i've ask a lot of questions , hopefully i will
>> understand the answers ; )
>> " ignorance is correctable , stupidity isn't "
>>
>> " pretty starts on the surface, beauty starts in your
>> heart? ; )
>>
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
>> Arthur
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 22:11:56 -0500
> From: Honour DuBois <honourdubois at verizon.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Warlord Gate Shifts
> Message-ID: <A9DDD4C9-D0F1-48B3-A4D1-F6C0F3225D99 at verizon.net>
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>
>>> Greetings Ansteorra,
>>>
>>> I am in need of people to work gate shifts at Warlord. Please
>>> contact me if
>>> you would be willing to volunteer and the shifts you would like.
>>> All of
>>> your help is greatly appreciated. I look forward to seeing you
>>> all at
>>> Steppes Warlord!
>>>
>>> Friday:
>>> 4pm-7pm: open
>>> 7pm-10pm: open
>>> 10pm-1am: need at least one more person
>>>
>>> Saturday:
>>> 6am-9am: open
>>> 9am-12pm open
>>> 12pm-3pm: Open
>>>
>>> Sunday
>>> 7am-10am : Open
>>> 10am-1pm: need at least one more person
>>> 1pm-2pm (pending)
>>>
>>> In Service,
>>> HE Honour du Bois
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:41:49 -0500
> From: Marc Carlson <marccarlson20 at hotmail.com>
> To: List Northkeep <northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>, Ansteorra lists
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>, <doug.copley at gmail.com>,
> <meanass70 at yahoo.com>, <rknight at kumc.edu>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Pictures and Portraits from Coronation
> Message-ID: <BAY149-w20D6CA2EC3DC5083839A54BEE00 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> These have been uploaded to http://www.flickr.com/photos/imarcc/
>
> Thank you to everyone who had their pictures taken.
>
> Marc/Diarmaid
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:13:26 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Pics of several event
> Message-ID: <00fe01caf5d3$8009f040$801dd0c0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have finally processed and uploaded all the outstanding photos we have
> taken except for last weekend's Coronation. That will be later this week.
>
>
>
> The standard disclaimers apply which essentially means you may use these
> pictures for SCA, non-commercial purposes as long as attribution is given in
> some manner to Caelin on Andrede or Richard Threlkeld or Betsy Marshall. I
> created the jpegs at less than full resolution from RAW photos. I can change
> them if necessary.
>
>
>
> The pictures are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rthrelkeld/sets/ Enjoy!
>
>
>
> In service,
>
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:07:20 -0500
> From: "ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> To: <charlescalhoun at sbcglobal.net>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc."
> <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID: <B6954A014A8849D4BD33ED7B5BCDD9FC at blackmoon1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> greetings
>
> i did, thats why the link is for that page,(
> http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm ) thats also why some of the
> questions ; )
> but thank you for responding , so others may also find out ; )
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <charlescalhoun at sbcglobal.net>
> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
>
>
> Once you have the page showing, go to the top right and click on
> "Insignia Gallery" and then click on the award you wish to see.
>
> Sean of Colquhoun
> Love all,Trust a few,Do wrong to none. Shakespeare
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/16/10, ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> From: ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
>> To: "Etienne de St. Amaranth" <northern at seneschal.ansteorra.org>, "Kingdom
>>
>> of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 6:08 PM
>> sorry, sent to wrong e-dress 1st time
>> : (
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
>> Arthur
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ld.blackmoon
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:02 PM
>> Subject: award regalia pics ?
>>
>>
>> greetings
>>
>> there are probably many people in the society, that like me
>> are heraldicly challenged, and couldn't tell the difference
>> in a hagen daz vert, with a muffy ore cantelevered , and a
>> sable horse pouchant bordered erminy pinkish.
>> and as much as i hold those that not only understand herald
>> speak, but speak it fluently ,in awe, is there someplace
>> that shows pic's or drawings of " all " ansteorran and
>> society level awards ?
>> i found a place that shows many "
>> http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm "
>> but there are several that say
>> " Blazon: None Registered. " does that mean that
>> nobody has bothered to registered a device for those awards
>> ?
>> if so , who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they
>> begin ?
>>
>>
>> also, since i know nothing of how these things are done,
>> when i go to the web page for awards
>> " http://heraldry.ansteorra.org/honors/ " there are
>> several blanks, for the uninformed masses ( namely me ; ),
>> why ?
>> i suspect that those awards dont have regalia approved yet
>> , but am unsure.
>> anyway , as a way to help everyone be informed , and
>> polite, in the section on " nobility " couldn't the heralds
>> put pics, or drawings of the apropriate " type " of brass
>> hat that each may wear ? ( pointy? leafy?pearly, etc ) all i
>> know is if its flat its normally a baron or baroness , and
>> if its nothing but gold, and a big black star you bow extra
>> low ; ) , but all the different types of hats can be
>> very confusing even to me who has played for over 28 years,
>> let alone those more recent to the society.
>>
>> ok, now that i've ask a lot of questions , hopefully i will
>> understand the answers ; )
>> " ignorance is correctable , stupidity isn't "
>>
>> " pretty starts on the surface, beauty starts in your
>> heart ; )
>>
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
>> Arthur
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ansteorra mailing list
>> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> In order to make changes and manage your account please go
>> to:
>> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
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>>there are probably many people in the society, that like me are heraldicly
>> challenged, and couldn't tell the difference in a hagen daz vert, with a
>> muffy ore cantelevered , and a sable horse pouchant bordered erminy
>> pinkish.
>>and as much as i hold those that not only understand herald speak, but
>> speak it fluently ,in awe, is there someplace that shows pic's or drawings
>> of " all " ansteorran and society level awards ?
>
> Only the Ordinary and Armorial, which is contained in over twenty file
> cabinets at the home of the Laurel Sovereign of Arms.
>
>> i suspect that those awards dont have regalia approved yet , but am
>> unsure.
>>anyway , as a way to help everyone be informed , and polite, in the
>> section on " nobility " couldn't the heralds put pics, or drawings of the
>> apropriate " type " of brass hat that each may wear ? ( pointy?
>> leafy?pearly, etc ) all i know is if its flat its normally a baron or
>> baroness , and if its nothing but gold, and a big black star you bow extra
>> low ; ) , but all the different types of hats can be very confusing even
>> to me who has played for over 28 years, let alone those more recent to the
>> society.
>
> The answer to any question of the form "Couldn't they do X?" is either time
> or money. This being a volunteer organization, the answer is time. The
> page you cited has the following: "Please Note: This section is a Work In
> Progress. It can only become a fully working "gallery" with the help of
> artisans willing to allow their work to be shown."
>
> Flat is anybody. Pearls are baronies. Embattled or dovetailed is County.
> Strawberry leaves are a duchy. Weird stuff is weird. Former rulers of
> Ansteorra may wear a black star. Former landed barons/esses may wear a
> symbol of the barony or a black star. (The black star for former barons has
> been allowed, but is poor heraldry. I ruled the Steppes, not Ansteorra, so
> my coronet has an oak leaf, not a black star.)
>
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:37:16 -0500
> From: Zubeydah Jamilla al-Badawiyyah <zubeydah at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID:
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> Arthur:
>
> I'm glad you enjoyed the Insignia gallery and the scribal website; it's
> something I'm very proud of. :) I am NOT a herald - but I hope I can answer
> your questions.
>
> You asked, "but there are several that say "Blazon: None Registered. " does
> that mean that nobody has bothered to registered a device for those
> awards? if so, who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they begin ?"
>
> There's three elements here:
>
> The Emblazon - the pictorial "heraldry" (if you will) of the award, if any.
> The Blazon - the descriptive phrase in heraldese that describes the emblazon
> The Insignia - the physical form that the award's representation takes.
> Sometimes it's the Emblazon of the order in some form - a pin, a medallion,
> etc. Sometimes, it's an object that symbolizes it -- Like a knight's belt
> or chain for the Chivalry, a white length of fabric for the White Scarf, or
> the black and gold cord that's worn by the Sable Falcons
>
> Just to make it complicated, there ARE awards - for example, the Iris or
> Merit and the Star of Merit or the Centurions - that have BOTH a specific
> Emblazon and a specific Insignia.
>
> Whether or not the award has an Emblazon or a specific Insignia is, I
> believe, generally determined when the Crown creates the award and passes it
> into Kingdom Law. They specify the Insignia - is it an emblazon in some
> fashion? Is it another symbol, like a cord or a belt or a cloak? That's the
> Crown's decision, in counsel with the Star Principal Herald (I think!).
>
> You also asked, "anyway , as a way to help everyone be informed , and
> polite, in the section on " nobility " couldn't the heralds put pics, or
> drawings of the apropriate " type " of brass hat that each may wear ? (
> pointy? leafy?pearly, etc ) all i know is if its flat its normally a baron
> or baroness , and if its nothing but gold, and a big black star you bow
> extra low ; )"
>
> In *very* general terms:
>
> If it's flat on top -- Court or landed Barony
> if it has crenelations on top -- Count or Countess
> If it has strawberry leaves on top - Duke or Duchess
>
> ... and then, like the English language, we have exceptions! There's
> definitions in our Kingdom Law that allow for specific exceptions - and of
> course, other kingdoms have sumptuary laws and exceptions, too! Unless the
> crown in question has the insignia / device of a kingdom on it, I generally
> go with the flat / crenelations / leaves rule. If it doesn't match any of
> those, I default to 'Your Grace' - it never hurts to be more polite than is
> needed; folks generally are rather good about letting you know either way!
>
> I hope that helps,
>
> Zubeydah
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:42:05 -0500
> From: "Brian O'hUilliam" <brianoftheloch at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID:
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>
> Greetings,
> As I read your e-mail, there are two questions:
> 1) Why do some awards have no registered blazon?
> 2) How/Who do we get to register blazons for these awards?
>
> Question 1 can be complicated. The short answer is either it hasn't been
> registered YET or there is no need to register a badge. With the
> non-armigerous marshal awards (Falcon, Bridle, etc), I'm sure it is believed
> that there is no need to register a badge. We have award insignia for those
> awards (braids) and that is all. We cannot register those braids as badges
> at the Society level. Concerning Gloves and Gauntlets, it is a similar
> situation. The insignia is personal to the Crown. There is a set standard
> that the Crown typically modifies to fit their desire. I know the Arc d'Or
> has been working on submitting a badge, I do not know about the Golden
> Lance.
> Question 2 is quite easy. Talk to the Kingdom Heraldic officer, Star
> Principal Herald, or the Crown. It is ultimately the decision of the Crown
> to register blazons and this duty is usually given to their appropriate
> officer (Star Principal). Remember, it is the Crown that makes awards & the
> Crown that gives awards, so they have the say in what they give out. That
> is why they have officers to help them and the people of the Kingdom with
> the many various aspects of the Society.
> I think it important to note that not every award NEEDS a badge. It may
> not be appropriate for every award to have a badge to be worn as a pin or
> medallion, like the Falcon & Bridle or the Knights of the Sable Garland.
> They have insignia and not badges. Also, it was once explained to me that
> Grant level awards in Ansteorra are really not meant to have the badges
> displayed. Those are mostly for the scrolls. The INSIGNIA is the wearable
> aspect of the award/order. Sometimes, the insignia is the badge itself worn
> as a pin or medallion, but it is not always, like with most of the Grant
> level awards.
>
>
>
> In Service,
> Brian O'hUilliam
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: ld.blackmoon
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:02 PM
>>> Subject: award regalia pics ?
>>>
>>>
>>> greetings
>>>
>>> there are probably many people in the society, that like me
>>> are heraldicly challenged, and couldn't tell the difference
>>> in a hagen daz vert, with a muffy ore cantelevered , and a
>>> sable horse pouchant bordered erminy pinkish.
>>> and as much as i hold those that not only understand herald
>>> speak, but speak it fluently ,in awe, is there someplace
>>> that shows pic's or drawings of " all " ansteorran and
>>> society level awards ?
>>> i found a place that shows many "
>>> http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm "
>>> but there are several that say
>>> " Blazon: None Registered. " does that mean that
>>> nobody has bothered to registered a device for those awards
>>> ?
>>> if so , who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they
>>> begin ?
>>>
>>>
>>> also, since i know nothing of how these things are done,
>>> when i go to the web page for awards
>>> " http://heraldry.ansteorra.org/honors/ " there are
>>> several blanks, for the uninformed masses ( namely me ; ),
>>> why ?
>>> i suspect that those awards dont have regalia approved yet
>>> , but am unsure.
>>> anyway , as a way to help everyone be informed , and
>>> polite, in the section on " nobility " couldn't the heralds
>>> put pics, or drawings of the apropriate " type " of brass
>>> hat that each may wear ? ( pointy? leafy?pearly, etc ) all i
>>> know is if its flat its normally a baron or baroness , and
>>> if its nothing but gold, and a big black star you bow extra
>>> low ; ) , but all the different types of hats can be
>>> very confusing even to me who has played for over 28 years,
>>> let alone those more recent to the society.
>>>
>>> ok, now that i've ask a lot of questions , hopefully i will
>>> understand the answers ; )
>>> " ignorance is correctable , stupidity isn't "
>>>
>>> " pretty starts on the surface, beauty starts in your
>>> heart ; )
>>>
>>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
>>> Arthur
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Diane Rudin <serena1570 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID: <56305.66623.qm at web110603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Arthur asked:
>
>
> i found a place
>> that shows many " http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm " but
>> there are several that say
> " Blazon: None Registered. " does that mean
>> that nobody has bothered to registered a device for those awards ?
> if so ,
>> who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they begin ?
>
> Because not all awards have or need a *badge*, registered through the
> Society College of Arms. They all have *insignia* (what you wear if you've
> received/joined an award/order), approved by the Ansteorran Crown and Star
> Principal Herald and described in the award/order's constitution. Sometimes
> the insignia of the award/order incorporates the badge of the award/order.
> Often it does not.
>
> An order is a group you join; an award is a thing you're given. You can
> receive multiple instances of an award; you can only join a order once
> (without resigning membership in the order & being invited to return to it;
> I'm not including accidental doubles here that are the result of bookkeeping
> lags). Orders therefore need a badge, as well as insignia, in recognition
> of their group identity; awards do not, by their nature, require badges.
>
> The definition on the page "Insignia: A badge worn to show official
> position" is no doubt part of the cause of your confusion. "Badge" there is
> used in its common English meaning, not its Society jargon meaning. In
> addition, that is not the jargon definition of insignia which we use.
> Therefore it would be better described as, "Insignia: a formal token,
> sometimes but not always an heraldic badge, worn to indicate receipt of an
> award, membership in an order, or possession of an office."
>
> In short -- unless it's a brand-new order or award, if it doesn't have a
> badge registered with the Society College of Arms, that would be because
> time has shown us it doesn't need one.
>
> --Serena Lascelles, Blanc Gryffon Herald
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:02:10 -0500
> From: "ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
> Message-ID: <01779EF6F5EB4BAA9C3F2BBC012D4E4B at blackmoon1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> greetings
>
> thank you all that responded, the answers have indeed been informative, and
> I now believe I ( mostly ) understand .
> as my body begins to have problems doing the physical things I've " always "
> done in the society, I find myself trying to learn new things and new ways
> to keep busy , that don't hurt as much ; )
> again thank you all who responded !
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diane Rudin" <serena1570 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Fw: award regalia pics ? take 2
>
>
>> Arthur asked:
>>
>>
>> i found a place
>>> that shows many " http://scribe.ansteorra.org/insignia/index.htm " but
>>> there are several that say
>> " Blazon: None Registered. " does that mean
>>> that nobody has bothered to registered a device for those awards ?
>> if so ,
>>> who would be in charge of doing so ? how would they begin ?
>>
>> Because not all awards have or need a *badge*, registered through the
>> Society College of Arms. They all have *insignia* (what you wear if
>> you've received/joined an award/order), approved by the Ansteorran Crown
>> and Star Principal Herald and described in the award/order's constitution.
>>
>> Sometimes the insignia of the award/order incorporates the badge of the
>> award/order. Often it does not.
>>
>> An order is a group you join; an award is a thing you're given. You can
>> receive multiple instances of an award; you can only join a order once
>> (without resigning membership in the order & being invited to return to
>> it; I'm not including accidental doubles here that are the result of
>> bookkeeping lags). Orders therefore need a badge, as well as insignia, in
>>
>> recognition of their group identity; awards do not, by their nature,
>> require badges.
>>
>> The definition on the page "Insignia: A badge worn to show official
>> position" is no doubt part of the cause of your confusion. "Badge" there
>> is used in its common English meaning, not its Society jargon meaning. In
>>
>> addition, that is not the jargon definition of insignia which we use.
>> Therefore it would be better described as, "Insignia: a formal token,
>> sometimes but not always an heraldic badge, worn to indicate receipt of an
>>
>> award, membership in an order, or possession of an office."
>>
>> In short -- unless it's a brand-new order or award, if it doesn't have a
>> badge registered with the Society College of Arms, that would be because
>> time has shown us it doesn't need one.
>>
>> --Serena Lascelles, Blanc Gryffon Herald
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:13:07 -0500
> From: Julie Cunningham <katheryn.cunningghame at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Cc: Ansteorra RapierNet <ansteorra-rapier at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Queens this Saturday - hotels and other info
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> Per our wonderful event staff I am forwarding some information to
> clarify and to give some hotel options for those who wish to stay closer to
> site.
> Site address is
> Transport Workers Union
> Golden Triangle Drive
> Fort Worth, TX 76177
>
> Directions to Site:
> Travel to the DFW metroplex via I-35. Take the I-35W exit. ***NOTE** I -35
> splits into East (that goes through Dallas) and West (that goes through Ft
> Worth). This event is located off of the West Interstate 35 that goes
> through Ft Worth.* Take exit 64 at Golden Triangle Blvd. Follow signs on
> the service road. Link to map - http://tinyurl.com/37tgecn.
>
> Please email Centurian Damon at wookiematsu at yahoo.com if you wish to bring a
> pavilion for the list field. *Space is limited
> *
> Sideboard luncheon will be provided for all. Camping is NOT allowed on this
> site.
>
> Hotel info:
> Here are some hotels either in Denton or in the Ft Worth Fossil Creek area
> obtained off of the net. This is only a small number of them so check
> Google if you need more selections
>
> ** Fairfield Inn (817) 232-5700
> 3701 Ne Loop 820
> Fort Worth, TX
> (a few of us are staying here)
>
> **Super 8 Motel FT Worth NORTH (817) 222-0892
> 5225 N Beach Street,
> 76137, Fort Worth,
>
> **Homewood Suites (817) 834-7400
> 3701 Tanacross Dr
> Fort Worth, TX
>
> **Quality Inn - (940) 387-3511
> 1500 Dallas Dr
> Denton, TX
>
> **Super 8 - 940-380-8888
> 620 S I-35 East
> Denton, TX
>
> **Best Western - (940) 591-7726
> 2910 W University
> Denton, TX
>
>
>
> Hope to see you there!
> Katheryn
> Baroness of the Steppes
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 13:42:38 -0500
> From: "Sher M" <runa.herd at earthlink.net>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Round Table in July
> Message-ID: <DF836459BEC74275A444D768B7C5CEAD at your4dacd0ea75>
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> Does anyone have a clue where it's going to be?
> Several of us need to attend and it's hard to make
> hotel reservations without a location.
>
> Sher Montgomery & The Thundering Herd
> http://runa-herd.livejournal.com
> http://thethunderingherd.net
> http://www.bootyparlorparties.com/SherMontgomery
> http://www.bedlambazaar.com
> http://bedlambazaar.blogspot.com
>
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