[Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
liamstliam at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 18:50:37 PDT 2010
The East Kingdom was decidely anti-fencing at that time, so there may have
been another reason.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:48 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> Years ago (almost twenty now), I subscribed to the Pikestaff, the
> of the East Kingdom. If memory serves, I received a copy of their Kingdom
> Law as well, in which they defined their SCA period to end at 1650 (or it
> was included in one or more of the monthly newsletters). That little tidbit
> of information was remarkable enough for me to remember. The justification
> heard back then (from whom, I cannot now remember. It may have been Master
> Robert McFarlane, but don't quote me on that) was to include more years of
> swashbuckling history in our period.
> It may not have been society-wide, and 1650 may not be the cut-off point
> these days, but it was in the East Kingdom in the early 1990's.
> In the "things I heard but never saw in print" department, I had also heard
> years ago that the cutoff date for the SCA period was set mainly to exclude
> the use of gunpowder...which, oddly, was already in use in 1599. I never
> knew where that one came from.
> Detlef von Marburg
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > At 07:00 PM 11/4/2010, you wrote:
> > From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
> > (snip)
> > I know there was a widespread *belief* in the early days that the SCA's
> >>> time
> >>> period extended to 1650 (which still wouldn't cover someone who wanted
> >>> play
> >>> 1651) but that was never in Corpora, the By-laws or the Articles of
> >>> incorporation.
> >>> -Tivar Moondragon
> > I remember once getting crap from someone for playing a pre-600 Germanic
> >> persona
> >> like I do now years ago. That conversation also included a tirade about
> >> why
> >> allow non-Western personas like Japanese and such. As I said it was at
> >> least a
> >> decade or so ago.
> >> I was told as a newcomer 600-1600 or essentially the rounded average of
> >> the
> >> dates of Anglo-Saxon Christianization missions (597 Kent; 601ish for
> >> Northumbrian and Edwin) to the end of Elizabeth I. Delightfully
> >> Anglo-centric,
> >> which I have no issue with personally.
> >> Wihtric
> > That's another common misconception about the SCA: that there's some
> > official beginning date. I've seen 600-1600 (to give a nice round
> > or the fall of Rome, or 400 AD all used, but again, the official
> > just say "pre 17th century." Back in the early days of what would
> > become Ansteorra, there was a household of Egyptians from the time of the
> > pharaohs, and I've seen classical Romans, too.
> > As for non-western personas, to quote from the introduction to Corpora
> > http://sca.org/docs/pdf/govdocs.pdf
> > "For Society members, most of the world, and all of the centuries prior
> > the 17th, can serve as a source for personal research. However, the
> > you go from the core of Medieval and Renaissance Europe, the less the
> > environment we offer will resemble what someone of your time and country
> > would find natural or homelike. For example, you can be an Asian or
> > guest at a European court, but you cannot expect
> > others to share your special interests - like any long-term visitor in a
> > foreign land, you are the one who will have to adapt to the customs you
> > around you."
> > -Tivar Moondragon
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