[Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?

Wed Nov 3 23:58:33 PDT 2010

Data point: LOts of computers at Pennsic, mostly hidden, but they help run
the event.

I have been at tournaments where the computers are right there in the rom,
being used for scoring.

Golf carst are certainly not period.

I think there's a balance we need to strive for, one that I could explain
better if I were not up at 3 a.m.

Liam

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:10 PM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Then let us have computers at events and call them magic boxes.
> If we do not strive to re-enact/re-create then what are we doing?
>
> Devin
> (who thinks his point was lost)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Wed, November 3, 2010 8:26:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
>
> Years ago, someone asked me what we do in the SCA. I wish I had had a mike
> and camera on me when I answered, "We create a pre-modern European society
> in our own time and our own backyards."
>
> The key word here is CREATE. We do not re-create something that's already
> happened in the past; we research the past and make it our present. The
> fact
> that we call our game the Society for CREATIVE Anachronism and not the
> Society for RECREATIVE Anachronism says a lot to me.
>
> So my half-timbered thatched cottage is actually a nylon tent. So I get to
> events driving a pick-up truck and not pulling my stuff behind me on a
> two-wheeled cart. I also keep up with my twenty-first-century medications
> that make breathing and eating easier. While I'm doing that, I'm living in
> the Current Middle Ages, awestruck by the heraldic displays and
> painstakingly crafted costumes while I bow my head to passing kings and
> queens, barons and baronesses. We cannot do EVERYTHING "as it was done back
> then," but we can create an environment in which the Middle Ages are still
> going on in the twenty-first century.
>
> It's fun to make every effort at authenticity when we want to; it would be
> torture to make every effort at authenticity when we have to. We don't live
> in the actual Middle Ages (and whose Middle Ages would those be, anyway? It
> would be historically impossible for me to know someone like Master Robin
> of
> Gilwell, for example, whom I would have to live to be at least 400 to
> know!). The best we can do is the CURRENT Middle Ages, where people whose
> personae hail from different centuries and different countries walk around
> on the same site. Perfection is an elusive goal: fun to strive for at will,
> but misery to live up to under compunction.
>
> Maybe instead of saying we create a pre-modern European society in our own
> time and our own place, I could just as easily say we dress up in medieval
> costumes and hit each other over the head with sticks.
>
> Gettin' drowsy here. I think it's time for me to read myself to sleep and
> call it a night.
>
> Detlef v M
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:41 PM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I have always thought that the SCA was part of the Living History thing.
> In
> > that
> > case we are doing more than creating the history of the Society, we are
> > re-creating a period in time. While not everyone can be as period as they
> > want
> > (money, time, resources) we can strive to hide a coke can or a cooler.
> >
> > Devin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Traci <traci at crimsonvision.net>
> > To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 8:23:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why aren't we doing this?
> >
> >  Hrm... I'm pretty sure that most weddings today have photos taken during
> > the
> > entire ceremony.  I know that we had *two* photographers (only counting
> the
> > ones we hired & not the friends who brought cameras) taking pics the
> whole
> > time to be sure to get different angles of the very important moments of
> > the
> > service.  Our wedding anniversary is actually next week & I have greatly
> > been enjoying looking back at those moments.
> >
> > I do agree though that it should be up to the Peer if they want photos
> but
> > ultimately Their Majesties of course.
> >
> > One more thing as it has been noted several times during this
> > conversaition;
> > the SCA is not triyng to recreate history perfectly.  We are *creating
> our
> > own history.*  Not reenactments.
> > Elizabeta
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:07 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My two widow's mites:
> > >
> > > Taking pictures during a court ceremony is roughly akin to taking
> > pictures
> > > during a wedding or other church service. Neither should be considered
> > > acceptable, considering the solemnity of the moment. Wedding pictures
> are
> > > normally taken before or after the service, and peerage pictures could
> > also
> > > be taken before or after the peerage ceremony (or investiture, or what
> > have
> > > you).
> > >
> > > I would like to note that, when Her Majesty the Queen of Great
> > > Britain's coronation was televised in 1953 (the first and, so far, only
> > > coronation ceremony to be televised), the cameras did not capture the
> > > moment
> > > of the monarch's anointing, which is the most sacred moment of the
> > > coronation service. I don't know if I'm a dinosaur for thinking a
> little
> > > respect for the most profound moments in our lives is appropriate, but
> > > there
> > > you go. Cameras, even in the twenty-first century, can be pretty
> > invasive,
> > > and I think they're best left to an off-site (not off the event site,
> but
> > > off the court site) photo-op. I'm keeping in mind the wedding portraits
> > > that
> > > were taken of the Prince and Princess of Wales and their wedding party
> in
> > > 1981, and of the coronation portraits that have been made of Kings and
> > > Queens at least as far back as Queen Elizabeth I. Such portraits do not
> > > show
> > > the actual MOMENT of crowning, or of the marriage ceremony, but they do
> > > provide a treasured memento of the occasion at hand.
> > >
> > > I'm currently reading James Pope-Hennessy's biography of Queen Mary,
> and
> > > her
> > > coronation portrait on the frontispeace is most spectacular. She stands
> > in
> > > her coronation robes and Garter regalia, wearing the thistles-and-roses
> > > diamond tiara while her actual crown sits on a drape-covered table at
> her
> > > side. Her Brittanic Majesty's coronation portrait in front of a
> backdrop
> > of
> > > King Henry VII's chapel in Westminster Abbey is also quite
> > > impressive--again, not showing the exact MOMENT, but definitely
> recalling
> > > the event.
> > >
> > > ON THE OTHER HAND, if the peer/investee in question wishes the ceremony
> > to
> > > be photographed, who am I to say it can't be done?
> > >
> > > Detlef von Marburg
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is Hell well-lit?
> > > >
> > > > And will it be when it's frozen over?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Cynthia Whitford
> > > > <simonevalery at comcast.net>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > But if people are using flash photography to get pictures of me
> > getting
> > > > my
> > > > >> Laurel (suuuuuuuure, Liam), it's damaging the moment for a lot of
> > > other
> > > > >> people.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > so - when getting your Laurel, be sure it happens in a daytime
> court
> > so
> > > > we
> > > > > can all take good pictures!
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > > Simone :-)
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