[Ansteorra] two

Fri Nov 12 12:29:51 PST 2010

i just wanted to clarify that there are two eves(possibly more)the eve in the post below is not myself. for future referance all post in the future will include my fathers name which is my full sca name.not trying to be rude just trying to avoid the possibility of a post being attributed to me that is not me. Thank you,In service to Wolfstar, to Chemin Noir, to Northkeep, to Ansteorra, And to The Dream,
Lady Eve Donlad

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Subject: Ansteorra Digest, Vol 55, Issue 12
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Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 2:00 PM

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Today's Topics:

   1.  Stop Loss and back pay (Bree Flowers)
   2. Re:  Silk banners (Stephanie Wilson)
   3. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Kaitlan Roisendubh)
   4. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (SoldierGrrrl)
   5.  willow's advice jewelry (willowdewisp at juno.com)
   6. Re:  willow's advice jewelry (Pam Kendrick)
   7. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (willowdewisp at juno.com)
   8.  Lead I'm sorry (willowdewisp at juno.com)
   9. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Bree Flowers)
  10. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Soldier Grrrl)
  11.  making gifts for christmas (willowdewisp at juno.com)
  12. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Bree Flowers)
  13. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Soldier Grrrl)
  14.  Can't find things at a thrift store? (willowdewisp at juno.com)
  15.  Xmas gift chair (willowdewisp at juno.com)
  16. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Susan Tillery)
  17. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Bree Flowers)
  18. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas (Bree Flowers)
  19.  Wiesenfeuer's Yule Revel (Castellana Donea)
  20. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas--markets
      (Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner)
  21. Re:  Ideas for gifts for Christmas--markets (Owen Van Meter)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:28:39 -0600
From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Stop Loss and back pay
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Just saw on TV and thought Veteran's Day would be a good time to share
this info...

If you (or a deceased family member for whom you were the beneficiary
of their estate) was affected by stop-loss, you are entitled to
additional back-pay for this service.

http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2010/0710_stoploss/

The government has set aside money, go collect what is rightfully
yours! Applications must be submitted by December 3rd.

~Eve

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:42:08 -0600
From: "Stephanie Wilson" <imstephw at swbell.net>
To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Silk banners
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Greetings, Lord Albin,

I am one of several people in Kingdom who makes silk banners. If you have
seen the standards of HE Mistress Myfanwy verch Eiffion, HE Master Don
Robert MacPharland, the Barony of Loch Soilleir, HE Don Duncan Hepburn, and
HE Mistress Genvieve de Courtanveaux; or the silk Kindgom Achievement flags;
or the gonfalons of Sir Godwin of Edington, HE Mistress Elisena (Lissa) of
Bayonne, and the king and queen of Northshield; or the Queen's Battle Ribbon
for rapier melee at Gulf Wars, just to name a few, then you have seen my
work.

I take commissions for a nominal fee that covers my expenses and would be
delighted to discuss making a banner for you. (This is not intended to be a
solicitation for business; I do not make any profit from making banners.)
Please feel free to email me privately at imstephw at swbell.net.

In service, making the Kingdom a more colorful place,

Anne

HL Anne Barrington
(mka Stephanie Wilson)
Barony of the Stargate
Kingdom of Ansteorra

> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:55:04 -0600
> From: albin_oil_de_larrun <albin_oil_de_larrun at yahoo.com>
> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Silk banners
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> 
> I am looking for anyone that is into making silk war banners. 
> 
> I would like one done, and would like to see if anyone is 
> willing to make these. 
> 
> Ld. Albin Oil de Larrun

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Kaitlan Roisendubh <ladykaitlan at yahoo.com>
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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> Why are all the gift suggestions things you can purchase
> anyway? Are
> we not a group that MAKES stuff? 

I have a friend that can't bake to save her soul or sew or weave so these suggestions are helpful since they are new to the society.  Her Grace is just trying to be helpful and take it as that.  I am sure that your are very good at all those things which is nice but there still are a number of people in the SCA that can't. I know this because I do sewing for many of our people.

Kaitlan Roisendubh

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:06:06 -0600
From: SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why are all the gift suggestions things you can purchase anyway? Are
> we not a group that MAKES stuff? Given an evening to work and less
> than $5 in materials I could make you some lovely trim worth far more
> than $20.

For me?  I have more money than I do time.  I would LOVE to make all
my Christmas gifts, and I hope to make *some* this year, but honesty,
I *like* having resources to spend my money and support others.   I
don't think there's anything wrong with purchasing things, and don't
want anyone to feel like their gifts might be thought of as lesser
because they don't have the time or skill to make something.

In service,
Helene Dalassene
Stronghold of Hellsgate
-- 
"Whatever their fond sentiments for men and women in uniform, for most
Americans the war remains an abstraction ? a distant and unpleasant
series of news items that do not affect them personally."- Robert
Gates, Secretary of Defense.

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:18:29 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] willow's advice jewelry
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Wither they know it or not all men need jewelry in the SCA.  Here is an article on the value of jewelry. 
I was given a circlet of metal roses, but that is a young girl's style. Do you think people will think me foolish if I wear it. It is based on the circle of roses I worn at my Coronation as Queen of Ansteorra. I don't want to look like the lady at the bottom of the article. 
Duchess Willow de Wisp
  Main | Arms and armor | Heraldry | Costumes | Glossary | Materials | Symbolism | Artisans | Technology | Value | Types & Functions |

Medieval Jewelry: Fashion and Status 

Economic and Social Value of JewelryEconomic and social aspects are invariably intertwined in medieval attitude toward jewelry. As has already been mentioned, most materials for jewelry were costly. There actual market prices certainly changed over time, depending on the availability of the material, market demand, and general development of fashion. The bigger the stone the greater was its value and the more it was sought for. The sapphire, the most appraised stone up to the end of the thirteenth century, later yielded to the ruby not only in symbolic value but also in price. In the late Middle Ages the diamond became the most valuable and expensive of all stones, although in Spain and Portugal the emerald held superior position, due to the characteristic Iberian fondness for emeralds. Pearls circulated in huge quantities and were usually sold by weight. The greatest European market for pearls imported from the East  was Venice. Venice was also a
 principal centre of forgerie
s, at any rate in the thirteenth century. For instance, glass cameos, Byzantine in style but produced in Venice, gave cause for concern for the fourteenth-century Paris purchasers. Kings and princes, great noblemen and even rich merchants invariably kept a store of precious and semi-precious stones and cameos. By merchants and those noblemen, who had relatively little jewelry, stones were kept as a reserve of valuables but in noble and princely circles they were stored for use in jewelry and plate or to give away as presents. Precious stones were often given as presents at weddings and at New Year and on other occasions. The stones and bits and pieces from the objects which had been broken up were also preserved with care. The practice of keeping a store of precious stones and pearls was fostered by the conditions of medieval goldsmith?s work, in which the commissioner was so often expected to supply the costly gold and gems which were the raw materials
 of the art. For safe 
preservation precious stones were frequently mounted in rings or fixed in wax. They were also kept loose, wrapped in a bag or cloth. In the late fourteenth century the significance of stones of price is shown by the fact that they often received their own special names. Jean, Duc de Berry (1340 - 1416), owned the Great Balas of Venice, bought from Valentina Visconti in 1407, the Balas of Orange, bought in 1408 from two French courtiers, the Balas of the Chestnut, the Balas of David, the Balas of the Cock-Crest, the Ruby of the Ear, the Ruby of the Quail, the Ruby of Gloucester, the Ruby of Apulia, the Ruby of the Dimple, a fine small ruby called the Barley Grain, the Ruby of the Mountain, bought in 1405, the Ruby of Berry, bought in 1408, a ruby called the Coal of Burgundy, and the King of Rubies, bought for him as a present by his nephew Jean Sans Peur, Duke of Burgundy, in 1413, and given this name by Jean de Berry, so great was his delight in its
 splendour. Some stones or
  jewels were cherished not so much for their price or beauty as for their family associations. In 1370 Jeanne d?Evreux, Queen Dowager of France, left a small diamond which her brother Philippe, King of Navarre (1305 - 43) had given her many years before ?that he ever wore upon his person because it had been their father?s.? The acquisition and possession of precious stones were matters of thrilling interest and deep satisfaction to medieval princes, as well as providing them with a treasure which could be used to increase their magnificence of array and largesse in the form of dress, jewelry and plate. Sometimes it is difficult to decide whether medieval lovers of stones, such as Jean de Berry,  should not be properly called connoisseurs and collectors. Individual jewels or collections of jewels were sometimes sold by their noble owners to other great personages. An exchange of jewels between distant courts was a custom among rulers. On occasions
 precious stones passed down 
as heirlooms. In many cases jewels that had once been worn by secular noblemen and noble women were later included into a devotional bequeath to the Church and ended up in an ecclesiastical treasury or as a part of church decoration. It was a common custom to offer jewels as pious donations to churches,  shrines, and statues of the saints. The giving of jewelry to a bride first at her betrothal and then on marriage was a recognised social custom among all social classes throughout Western Europe. In most countries it seems also to have been expected that either her family or the bridegroom should provide the bride with the ornaments suitable to her standing as a married woman. In addition to these the bridegroom must often have given the bride-to-be some personal token of love ? usually a ring or a brooch.  Among the classes that could afford gold and silver there was no social situation in which two lovers  -- in the illicit sense of the word ? could
 freely make each other 
gifts of jewelry or openly wear such gifts. In the chivalric relationship of courtly love the lover had of necessity to conceal his affection under enigmatic language and symbols, so as not to expose the lady of his thoughts to scandal and dishonour. In the fourteenth century the device and motto provided a resolution of this problem, for they enabled the chivalric lover to conceal with an image ? a flower or bird, a letter ? the object of his cult, while figuring, if only by remote allusion and private significance, the mood of his passion, whether of hope, longing, or despair.  Men could receive gifts of jewelry as a prize for a victory at a tournament, as a gift from the patron, or for the knightly initiation. We know little of ordinary usage in the wearing of jewelry. It figured as a matter of course  on great occasions, at feasts and festivals ? weddings, banquets, dances, tournaments and the great religious  anniversaries of the year, which 
 the Middle Ages celebrated 
with secular splendour as well as pious devotion. Moreover kings, queens, nobles and knights can rarely, if ever, have appeared in public without some jewel in token of their degree. In the lower social circles jewelry fell into two categories: the cheaper and simpler pieces to be worn on daily basis and the ?feastday decoration? to be worn on great occasions. Weddings undoubtedly constituted such an occasion. Both the wedding couple and the guests felt it their right to put on their best dresses and most sumptuous jewels. In the Middle Ages, the gender distinction in jewelry was almost inexistent. Both men and women wore brooches and girdles, chains and collars, circlets and chaplets. The greater richness and variety of women?s jewelry was partly due to a number of head ornaments and of costly trimmings that they wore, and partly to a difference in social roles. Men reserved their jewels for feastdays, while women generally preferred to walk out in fine
 dress. This must be 
one reason why high medieval sumptuary legislation restricting jewelry mainly concerns itself with women. There was a certain disagreement in theoretical question of who ought to be more richly arrayed. One opinion was that the man ought to be more richly dressed, as he has power over women, but he must nevertheless, observe a certain restraint in his array. Another party voiced women?s right to some array: : ?. . . It is more fitting that a woman should chain a man to her by her pleasing attire than the contrary, for a bird of freer flight requires the greater art in its pursuers,? wrote Konrad von Megenburg (1309 - 74). Precautions, however, should always be made to avoid excess of ornament in women.  Religious resentment against vanity and ostentation  notwithstanding, economic considerations were even more important. The same author warns: ?I have seen knights and citizens fall into scantily clad nakedness through pesumptuous spending on
 ornaments.? Children had their ow
n types of jewelry. References to children?s jewelry are quite early. Both noble families and wealthy bourgeoisie decorated children with brooches, chaplets, girdles. These were similar in fashion to those worn by the adults, if only cheaper and smaller in size. In Italy in the fourteenth century it was customary to give new-born babies crosses or pieces of coral to be worn round the neck, even more for the protection of the infant than as a decoration. The Child can be seen wearing a coral of this like in a number of quattrocento paintings of the Virgin and the Child. Sumptuary laws often restricted the amount and quality of jewelry worn by children. San Bernardino exclaimed in 1427, addressing Sienese populace: ?When I think too of your children, how much gold, how much silver, how many pearls, how much embroidery you make them wear!? On the contrary, in 1528 the edict of Count Enno II of Friesland ordained ?that all our subjects dress their children
 according to the old F
risian manner, and adorn them with silver ornaments.? It was not only the laity who wore jewelry in the Middle Ages. The passion for it was general, and in spite of their vows of poverty it was necessary to make regulations inhibiting monks and nuns from wearing it. In considering the jewelry of nuns, it is important to remember that on their profession they were sometimes given a plain gold ring in token of their espousal to the Church, from the twelfth century onwards. Such rings were rather enseignes of their profession rather than jewelry in our sense. In 1227 the Synod of Trier forbade nuns to wear any jewels or brooches or gold or silver rings or gold braids or silk girdles. The statutes of the H?tel-Dieu of Troyes, drawn up in 1263, forbid the nuns to wear precious stones, unless when ill, when of course their curative properties were of value. Particularly nuns of royal birth were indulged in receiving and wearing jewelry. 
Many of the higher clergy granted themselves a licence in the matter of jewelry, and the lesser clergy followed their example. The clergy of the archdiocese of Milan were several times admonished for their secular style of dress and jewelry. In 1215 the Lateran Council forbade clerics to wear brooches or buttons of gold or silver on any of their garments, or even of gilt or silvered metal. The only permissible kind of jewelry was rings. Indeed, bishops and archbishops wore them as insignia of office, and they were also collected both for giving away as presents and as securities. Being insignia of some sort ? an indicator of rank , status, or wealth ? is one of the most important functions of medieval jewelry. In the eyes of noblemen, jewelry of gold and precious stones was the prerogative of knightly degree and above. Christine de Pisan, in her biography of King Charles V of France, written in 1403 ? 4, says that because of all that those belonging to
 the order of chivalry e
ndure in war from hard beds, cold, misadventure and the perils of assault and battle ?rich array decorated with orphreys and glittering with gold and precious stones were established for them as being a thing due and pertaining to them.? This was also the view of the Church. Preaching a sermon against vanity in Siena in 1427, San Bernardino condemned those who wore garments that were not proper to their rank and occupation in life. Sumptuary laws were an expression of this importance of jewels as symbols of rank. Wealthy citizens and their wives were repeatedly banned from wearing gold and precious stones proper only to their superiors. A French royal ordinance of 1283 commanded that ?no bourgeois or bourgeoise . . . shall wear or be allowed to wear gold or precious stones or girdles of gold or set with pearls or coronals of gold and silver?. Not only noblemen?s jealousy of  wealthier nouveau riches caused the appearance of sumptuary laws. From the
 second half of the thirtee
nth century onwards we find merchant communes themselves enacting sumptuary laws to restrain  extravagance and pretension in dress among their wives and daughters, no doubt with the purpose to secure the stability of fortunes and the balance of relative civic rank. Apart from legal regulations the use of jewelry was also based on such considerations as professional or social propriety, religious feeling, or age. Then as now, women and men advanced in age were expected to dress more plainly. An elderly woman wearing girlish attire was an object of derision and mockery. 

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:37:33 -0600
From: "Pam Kendrick" <pkendrick at kendrick.dyndns.info>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] willow's advice jewelry
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Your Grace, you SHOULD wear the circlet at least once to show your
appreciation of such a fine, fine gift.  You may then gift it to someone
else who will have a sweet story to pass down about how they came to
possession and what it meant to you.

Lady Gisele (whom you haven't seen in EVER so long)

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.org] On Behalf Of willowdewisp at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 4:18 PM
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] willow's advice jewelry

Wither they know it or not all men need jewelry in the SCA.  Here is an
article on the value of jewelry. 
I was given a circlet of metal roses, but that is a young girl's style.
Do you think people will think me foolish if I wear it. It is based on
the circle of roses I worn at my Coronation as Queen of Ansteorra. I
don't want to look like the lady at the bottom of the article. 
Duchess Willow de Wisp

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:38:12 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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I had not gotten to making gilfs. The problem with making a gift is you have to give instruction. I was gathering up some sites, but that will take time.
Do you have some gift ideas and instructions? Please, Please post.
willow

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:01:49 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Lead I'm sorry
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I will agree with you that Lead is bad and I am sorry I even suggested that it was OK.
I just meant if you were given a lead crystal goblet and you put wine in it and drink one glass of wine I questions how much lead you get.  But you are right any lead is bad. . Some of the antique things we  own may have lead in them. I have a set of lead crystal goblets. Once I learned of the chance of lead I stopped using them. 
In fact the good china that I got from my Grandmother did have lead. I had it tested after reading about a family who suffered from lead poisoning. The family who got sick had used their china everyday. 
My family got all upset because we had eaten of it for 21 years at Christmas, Thanksgiving and Easter. My sister got herself checked out and had no noticeable lead in her system. We stopped using the China. 
I agree that we should not give it as a gift. I have stopped using the Old pewter goblet I had and I always tell people if I question the item.  I always warn new comers about Old pewter. 
Thank you for clearing that up. I wasn't aware of new information. I haven't really heard much about lead since they warned us about playing with lead figures. 
right now I have egg all over my face. Boy, I feel stupid. 
I hope everyone will forgive me.
willow
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:08:32 -0600
From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why are all the gift suggestions things you can purchase anyway? Are
>> we not a group that MAKES stuff? Given an evening to work and less
>> than $5 in materials I could make you some lovely trim worth far more
>> than $20.
>
> For me? ?I have more money than I do time. ?I would LOVE to make all
> my Christmas gifts, and I hope to make *some* this year, but honesty,
> I *like* having resources to spend my money and support others. ? I
> don't think there's anything wrong with purchasing things, and don't
> want anyone to feel like their gifts might be thought of as lesser
> because they don't have the time or skill to make something.
>
> In service,
> Helene Dalassene
> Stronghold of Hellsgate

Helene,

If you have more money than time, I humbly submit that you'd still be
better off purchasing things from our artisans than wasting hours
combing through thrift stores in search of something that might simply
not be there. I've been to a lot of thrift stores over the years and
have only ever found one thing worth having (my sewing machine, and I
love it dearly, but that was one find in 2 decades of looking).

The suggestion to make something was simply to say "if you're on a
thrift store budget, you will get more bang for your buck if you make
something yourself".

Anyway, the thrust of my post was actually the bit about the lead and
non-food-safe vessels. Friends don't give friends lead :) Unless you
are 100% sure that the intended recipient is okay with using
lead-containing items it is a bad gift idea. And please do not do it
for a gift exchange where the recipients are random.

~Eve

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:25:57 -0600
From: Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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Eve,

I'm unlikely to hand friends things with lead in them, and yes, I'd like to see more resources from artisans. If much rather spend my money with artisans and support the SCA. :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why are all the gift suggestions things you can purchase anyway? Are
>>> we not a group that MAKES stuff? Given an evening to work and less
>>> than $5 in materials I could make you some lovely trim worth far more
>>> than $20.
>> 
>> For me?  I have more money than I do time.  I would LOVE to make all
>> my Christmas gifts, and I hope to make *some* this year, but honesty,
>> I *like* having resources to spend my money and support others.   I
>> don't think there's anything wrong with purchasing things, and don't
>> want anyone to feel like their gifts might be thought of as lesser
>> because they don't have the time or skill to make something.
>> 
>> In service,
>> Helene Dalassene
>> Stronghold of Hellsgate
> 
> Helene,
> 
> If you have more money than time, I humbly submit that you'd still be
> better off purchasing things from our artisans than wasting hours
> combing through thrift stores in search of something that might simply
> not be there. I've been to a lot of thrift stores over the years and
> have only ever found one thing worth having (my sewing machine, and I
> love it dearly, but that was one find in 2 decades of looking).
> 
> The suggestion to make something was simply to say "if you're on a
> thrift store budget, you will get more bang for your buck if you make
> something yourself".
> 
> Anyway, the thrust of my post was actually the bit about the lead and
> non-food-safe vessels. Friends don't give friends lead :) Unless you
> are 100% sure that the intended recipient is okay with using
> lead-containing items it is a bad gift idea. And please do not do it
> for a gift exchange where the recipients are random.
> 
> ~Eve
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:27:38 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] making gifts for christmas
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Why don't I give made gifts for Christmas?
I know this may sound stupid but I never think my stuff is good enough.  The few times I made things for a gift exchange got traded down until I took them myself. My feelings were hurt. If I find a nice thing that is useful at a thrift store I feel better about it and if they turn out unpopular well it doesn't reflect on any thing but my taste. 
I find great deals at thrift store. If you are looking for something "period" you have a better chance of finding something unique at a thrift store than on the Internet or a department store. 
I found a silver period spoon for my salt cellar. or for my salt cellar when I find it. I priced it at 40 dollars on the Web. but I paid 1.50 for it.  I ask you is it worth 40 dollars or 1.50?
Going to thrift store can be very educational. If you study period artifacts like candle holders or textiles or table ware the process of rejecting items can make that study come alive. the joy of finding something right is wonderful because it links up all that data in your mind. It is lots of fun. 
I used to go to flea markets with Mistress Branywn and I learned so much about Medieval Arts and Crafts. I wish I had people to go with me. 
I find the same thing about eBay. 
Willow
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:36:11 -0600
From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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Eve's merchant list and internet shopping ideas...

Music selections:
http://www.vinceconaway.com/ - Hammered Dulcimer
http://www.heatherdale.com/ - Folk singing
http://www.wineandalchemy.com/ - A more Middle Eastern influenced sound
http://www.wolgemut.net/wolgemut/wolgemut.html - An EXCELLENT medieval
group. Much of the music you've previously danced to is performed by
these guys

Jewelery:
http://www.the-treasury.org - Emphasis on Norse goods, but she carries
other things
http://www.fetteredcockpewters.com - Pilgrim badges and belt fittings,
all cast by her hand, mostly 14th C. Everything guaranteed lead-free
http://www.billyandcharlie.com/ - More cast pewter goods.
http://thorthorshammer.com/ - Another wonderful merchant. Ships fast
and only recreates extant objects. Many of which he has in his shop
and can show you. Mostly Norse and Roman, but other stuff too.

Try Etsy for inkle woven trim. Just put "Inkle weaving" in the search,
sort by price and you'll usually find something suitable for trim in
the $12-20 price range.

More ideas when I get home from my party tonight.

~Eve - who LOVES to shop.

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:39:16 -0600
From: Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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Awesome!  Thanks!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eve's merchant list and internet shopping ideas...
> 
> Music selections:
> http://www.vinceconaway.com/ - Hammered Dulcimer
> http://www.heatherdale.com/ - Folk singing
> http://www.wineandalchemy.com/ - A more Middle Eastern influenced sound
> http://www.wolgemut.net/wolgemut/wolgemut.html - An EXCELLENT medieval
> group. Much of the music you've previously danced to is performed by
> these guys
> 
> Jewelery:
> http://www.the-treasury.org - Emphasis on Norse goods, but she carries
> other things
> http://www.fetteredcockpewters.com - Pilgrim badges and belt fittings,
> all cast by her hand, mostly 14th C. Everything guaranteed lead-free
> http://www.billyandcharlie.com/ - More cast pewter goods.
> http://thorthorshammer.com/ - Another wonderful merchant. Ships fast
> and only recreates extant objects. Many of which he has in his shop
> and can show you. Mostly Norse and Roman, but other stuff too.
> 
> Try Etsy for inkle woven trim. Just put "Inkle weaving" in the search,
> sort by price and you'll usually find something suitable for trim in
> the $12-20 price range.
> 
> More ideas when I get home from my party tonight.
> 
> ~Eve - who LOVES to shop.
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:45:26 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Can't find things at a thrift store?
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I find that concept strange but I bet it is because we are looking for different things. 
I went to community Thrift in Tulsa and found so many things that I had to take many back.
I found 
One blue glass tankard that had knights on it. It was molded glass and very period from roman times.
one gold plated drinking bowl ( it might have been a dessert bowl) it had a great shape 
7 silver plated plates.
One strand of lamp work beads 
a lamp shade covered with blue lampwork glass beads
A late period mirror with angels on it casted in metal. The mirror is broken but I can replace that. 
I also found a 18 inch gothic candle stick and  two standing 4 foot candle needles but I didn't need them. 
i got the the drinking bowl and the blue tankard and the lampshade and the broken mirror and with my senior discount it cost 6 dollars and tax. I tried to get the blue glass tankard on Ebay and lost it. I believe it went for 12.00. 
yes, it is true that sometimes I don't find things but I love looking. 
willow
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:59:47 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Xmas gift chair
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One of the things you can give is a period chair. We have some awesome craftsmen in Ansteorra who make chairs.
Lord Tarkdus out of Ft.Worth and the gentleman who made the chairs for the Crossroad keep event. make great chairs.
You can get plain ones on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Medieval-Savonarola-chair-Replica-SCA-Renaissance-/350402829055?pt=Antiques_Furniture&hash=item5195a2daff
this merchant has a Glastonbury chair I really like
willow
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:36:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Susan Tillery <sutillery at sbcglobal.net>
To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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In Atlantia, one of the groups holds an annual event called Holiday Faire. It pulls together as many merchants as they can find to simply set up and sell.  They hold other activities too but the main occupation is the shopping.  

I haven't seen as many merchants in Ansteorra so I don't know if a group could put together something like that but it was a fun event to go to.

AEla

--- On Thu, 11/11/10, Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 6:25 PM
> Eve,
> 
> I'm unlikely to hand friends things with lead in them, and
> yes, I'd like to see more resources from artisans. If much
> rather spend my money with artisans and support the SCA.
> :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Bree Flowers
> <evethejust at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Why are all the gift suggestions things you
> can purchase anyway? Are
> >>> we not a group that MAKES stuff? Given an
> evening to work and less
> >>> than $5 in materials I could make you some
> lovely trim worth far more
> >>> than $20.
> >> 
> >> For me?? I have more money than I do
> time.? I would LOVE to make all
> >> my Christmas gifts, and I hope to make *some* this
> year, but honesty,
> >> I *like* having resources to spend my money and
> support others.???I
> >> don't think there's anything wrong with purchasing
> things, and don't
> >> want anyone to feel like their gifts might be
> thought of as lesser
> >> because they don't have the time or skill to make
> something.
> >> 
> >> In service,
> >> Helene Dalassene
> >> Stronghold of Hellsgate
> > 
> > Helene,
> > 
> > If you have more money than time, I humbly submit that
> you'd still be
> > better off purchasing things from our artisans than
> wasting hours
> > combing through thrift stores in search of something
> that might simply
> > not be there. I've been to a lot of thrift stores over
> the years and
> > have only ever found one thing worth having (my sewing
> machine, and I
> > love it dearly, but that was one find in 2 decades of
> looking).
> > 
> > The suggestion to make something was simply to say "if
> you're on a
> > thrift store budget, you will get more bang for your
> buck if you make
> > something yourself".
> > 
> > Anyway, the thrust of my post was actually the bit
> about the lead and
> > non-food-safe vessels. Friends don't give friends lead
> :) Unless you
> > are 100% sure that the intended recipient is okay with
> using
> > lead-containing items it is a bad gift idea. And
> please do not do it
> > for a gift exchange where the recipients are random.
> > 
> > ~Eve
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ansteorra mailing list
> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > In order to make changes and manage your account
> please go to:
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:39:47 -0600
From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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In other countries there are BIG merchanting festivals for all
recreators (not just SCA and not just for medieval themed groups).
Apparently there are two big ones annually in England. People come in
plain clothes and they sell wares for all periods from Stone Age right
up to Victorian.And in Scandinavia somewhere someone was telling me
about a "Viking Marketplace" where local craftspeople sell traditional
crafts, many of which date back to our period.

I would totally support an all-merchanting event. Heck isn't that the
main reason to go to the big wars?

~Eve

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Susan Tillery <sutillery at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> In Atlantia, one of the groups holds an annual event called Holiday Faire. It pulls together as many merchants as they can find to simply set up and sell. ?They hold other activities too but the main occupation is the shopping.
>
> I haven't seen as many merchants in Ansteorra so I don't know if a group could put together something like that but it was a fun event to go to.
>
> AEla
>
> --- On Thu, 11/11/10, Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Soldier Grrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 6:25 PM
>> Eve,
>>
>> I'm unlikely to hand friends things with lead in them, and
>> yes, I'd like to see more resources from artisans. If much
>> rather spend my money with artisans and support the SCA.
>> :-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:06 PM, SoldierGrrrl <soldier.grrrl at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Bree Flowers
>> <evethejust at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Why are all the gift suggestions things you
>> can purchase anyway? Are
>> >>> we not a group that MAKES stuff? Given an
>> evening to work and less
>> >>> than $5 in materials I could make you some
>> lovely trim worth far more
>> >>> than $20.
>> >>
>> >> For me?? I have more money than I do
>> time.? I would LOVE to make all
>> >> my Christmas gifts, and I hope to make *some* this
>> year, but honesty,
>> >> I *like* having resources to spend my money and
>> support others.???I
>> >> don't think there's anything wrong with purchasing
>> things, and don't
>> >> want anyone to feel like their gifts might be
>> thought of as lesser
>> >> because they don't have the time or skill to make
>> something.
>> >>
>> >> In service,
>> >> Helene Dalassene
>> >> Stronghold of Hellsgate
>> >
>> > Helene,
>> >
>> > If you have more money than time, I humbly submit that
>> you'd still be
>> > better off purchasing things from our artisans than
>> wasting hours
>> > combing through thrift stores in search of something
>> that might simply
>> > not be there. I've been to a lot of thrift stores over
>> the years and
>> > have only ever found one thing worth having (my sewing
>> machine, and I
>> > love it dearly, but that was one find in 2 decades of
>> looking).
>> >
>> > The suggestion to make something was simply to say "if
>> you're on a
>> > thrift store budget, you will get more bang for your
>> buck if you make
>> > something yourself".
>> >
>> > Anyway, the thrust of my post was actually the bit
>> about the lead and
>> > non-food-safe vessels. Friends don't give friends lead
>> :) Unless you
>> > are 100% sure that the intended recipient is okay with
>> using
>> > lead-containing items it is a bad gift idea. And
>> please do not do it
>> > for a gift exchange where the recipients are random.
>> >
>> > ~Eve
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ansteorra mailing list
>> > Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> > In order to make changes and manage your account
>> please go to:
>> > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
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>> to:
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:53:28 -0600
From: Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas
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More shopping ideas...

BOOKS! What SCA person doesn't love books? If you want inspiration for
books that are good "general interest" things with wide appeal I once
took a course on "the 25 books that should be in every SCA person's
library", and that's a good starting point. E-mail me off-list if you
want the titles. Gift certificates to mundane book stores always go
over well in every crowd. Amazon gift certificates are particularly
lovely.

Another idea would be a gift certificate to the SCA stock clerk if
they offered them. The recipient could pick a new Handbook, a back
issue of Tournaments Illuminated or that Compleate Anachronist they
always wanted. Someone should tell corporate what a good idea it would
be to offer them. Associate Memberships are a mere $22 and I have seen
these offered in exchanges or as prizes.

For the fiber-arts lover in your life:
http://whitewolfandphoenix.com/ - A source for inkle woven trim and
looms and books, lots and lots of books
http://www.spanishpeacock.com/ - More looms and books and lucets (fun
and inexpensive)
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/ - Most of the patterns are too
specific for a random gift exchange, but the "Medieval Sewing Guide"
would be great and the Elizabethan Common Knowledge book is cool too.

http://www.thebasketman.com/ - GREAT baskets (but nothing in the $20
range alas) and lovely socks. If price is no object the unconditional
guarantee on his baskets is awesome (he'll replace/repair it even if
the damage is the fault of your own stupidity! Like say you back your
trailer over it while packing) but for a gift exchange a few pairs of
socks would be well received.

http://www.pantherprimitives.com/ - Of course we all know they do
fantastic tents, but that's probably not in your gift exchange budget
:) But they also have some neat camp gadgets like fire starting kits,
a mini spice box, camp first aid kit, horn combs, canvas buckets,
playing cards, wooden dice, needle cases, books, books and more books
and of course if you are stumped they do have gift certificates.

This is all I can come up with at the moment. I'm sure there are
others out there who have favorite merchants that have items in the
$20 and under range.

Everyone I have listed is either a merchant I have personally shopped
at and enjoyed both good service and good wares (I think having both
is essential) or that has been recommended to me by a trusted source.
Or in the case of Panther, well, EVERYONE knows about these guys
right? It's just that most of us never get past the pretty tents in
the catalog.

And this one isn't necessarily SCA appropriate, but oh how I love
their products and I totally squeeee every time one of their catalogs
arrives in the mail http://www.leevalley.com/ If you have a gardener
or woodworker in your life I advise you to keep these catalogs well
out of reach or hide the credit card.

~Eve - shopping till I drop

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Bree Flowers <evethejust at gmail.com> wrote:
> Eve's merchant list and internet shopping ideas...
>
> Music selections:
> http://www.vinceconaway.com/ - Hammered Dulcimer
> http://www.heatherdale.com/ - Folk singing
> http://www.wineandalchemy.com/ - A more Middle Eastern influenced sound
> http://www.wolgemut.net/wolgemut/wolgemut.html - An EXCELLENT medieval
> group. Much of the music you've previously danced to is performed by
> these guys
>
> Jewelery:
> http://www.the-treasury.org - Emphasis on Norse goods, but she carries
> other things
> http://www.fetteredcockpewters.com - Pilgrim badges and belt fittings,
> all cast by her hand, mostly 14th C. Everything guaranteed lead-free
> http://www.billyandcharlie.com/ - More cast pewter goods.
> http://thorthorshammer.com/ - Another wonderful merchant. Ships fast
> and only recreates extant objects. Many of which he has in his shop
> and can show you. Mostly Norse and Roman, but other stuff too.
>
> Try Etsy for inkle woven trim. Just put "Inkle weaving" in the search,
> sort by price and you'll usually find something suitable for trim in
> the $12-20 price range.
>
> More ideas when I get home from my party tonight.
>
> ~Eve - who LOVES to shop.
>

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:02:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Castellana Donea <castellana.donea at yahoo.com>
To: Ansteorra <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>,    Bonwick
    <bonwicke at lists.ansteorra.org>,    Eldern Hill
    <Barony-Eldern_Hills at yahoogroups.com>,    Moonshadow
    <mooneschadowe at yahoogroups.com>,    Namron <namron at lists.ansteorra.org>,
    Northern List <northern at lists.ansteorra.org>,    The Barony of Northkeep
    <northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>,    Wiesenfeuer
    <Wiesenfeuer at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Wiesenfeuer's Yule Revel
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Dear friends and family, 
??????????? The time for CHOCOLATE, I mean The Barony of Wiesenfeuer?s annual Yule Revel is just around the corner, being Saturday December, 4th at camp DaKaNi in Oklahoma City, OK.? This will be our Barony?s twentieth anniversary and we want to make it uniquely special.? We have quite a few activities planned and hopefully have an event that everyone in the family can enjoy.? 
Our theme for this year?s Yule Revel is the celebration of our twentieth anniversary and, need I say it, CHOCOLATE.? 
The colors for the Yule season are red, green, black, and gold in honor of our great barony.? 
? 
Merchants are as always welcome at our event? To coordinate merchant space please contact Anghared of Patrin Or at anghared.gwen at yahoo.com ? 
? 
Tournaments: 
??????????? We have two fun style tournaments planned for Yule Revel.? For our chivalric fighters we will have a snowball tourney, feeling the name if nothing else is suitable for the season.? 
And for the rapier fighters, we will have a burning ship tourney.? Fencers will be fighting on the deck of a burning ship which has gunpowder in it's cargo hold. Their objective is to dispose of their opponent, grab the treasure, and leap from the burning ship which explodes at an unknown time based on the desires of the Ladies of House Patrin Or before each match.? To add complexity, each fighter will have 3 lives (including if they explode), first life gets single sword, second life gets to bring a rigid or non-rigid parrying device, and third life gets to bring two offensive weapons. The winner will be the person who collects the most treasure through the course of their bouts which will be recognized at conclusion of the fighting.? 
??????????? In correlation with the tournaments, House Patrin Or, will be hosting a ?Death For Chocolate? competition.? A large basket of home baked chocolate goodies will be awarded to one fighter from each tourney who dies most gallantly (extravagantly) on the field. 
? 
Baronial Championships:? 
??????????? Arts and Sciences: The theme for our arts and science championship this year will be The Barony?s Twentieth Year.? Documentation is encourage, but not required, and our judging will be from the standard Kingdom judging forms. 
? 
? 
??????????? Bardic: The format for the bardic championship is coming to you soon. 
? 
Other Competitions:? 
??????????? Subtleties Competition: the theme for this, of course, is chocolate. 
??????????? Table Decorating Competition:? The colors again are red, green, black, and gold, with the Barony of Wiesenfeuer being the theme.? This is the Yule season, so tying the two together is what we are looking for.? 
??????????? Best Dressed Competition: Bring out your finest!? We are looking for appropriate Yule garments in the colors of the season.? We prefer the garments to have been made for the Yule season or at least within the last year.? 
? 
Items of Note: 
??????????? There will be a regional identity meeting at 1:00 under the permanent pavilion. 
??????????? His Excellencies Cassius will be hosting ?Chocolate Roulette,? at 4:00pm, also under the permanent pavilion.? 
? 
Feast: 
??????????? Our feast steward is the lovely HL Shana Camber. 

FEAST MENU

1st course/remove? 

Breads

Flavored Butters

Cheeses

2nd course/remove

Hearty Beef & Barley Stew

3rd course/remove

Maple & Garlic Roasted Pork Tenderloin

Green Beans w/Bacon wrap

Roasted Dill Squash & Zuccini

4th course/remove

Almond Apple Crisp

Drinks will be Water & Tea w/sugar substitute available

? 
Site opens at 7:30 on Saturday morning and closes at 11:00pm. ??Site fees are $8 for those over the age of sixteen, and $5 for those under the age of sixteen.? A $5 NMS fee will be added to those without proof of membership.? Minors must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian.? They may also attend with an adult 21 years or older, with a signed and notarized Minor Event Waiver form from the parents.? Site is wet in period containers only.? Service animals only, no pets allowed. 
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For question, comments or concerns please contact the autocrat 
Lady Castellana Donea 
Castellana.donea at yahoo.com 
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YIS,

Lady Castellana de Andalusia
known as Castellana Donea
(Kass-tae-yanna)
Protogee' to Syr Burke Kyriell MacDonald
Rom Bara of House Patrin Or
Wiensenfeuer's Deputy Herald
Kingdom Armillary Pursuvant
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:07:40 -0600
From: Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner <burgborrendohl at valornet.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas--markets
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> I would totally support an all-merchanting event. Heck isn't that the
> main reason to go to the big wars?
>
> ~Eve

The Kingdom of Calontir holds a market day every year in Forgotten Sea 
(Kansas City).  This year it is on December 11 in Shawnee, Ks.

http://bfs-kc.org/events

Ismet

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:26:28 -0600
From: Owen Van Meter <ovanoff57 at clearwire.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Ideas for gifts for Christmas--markets
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For those that are interested the The City of Clifton, Tx will be annual
"Norwegian Country Christmas Home Tour". This event has tours of the local
historic homes and churches and will also have an area set up to do some
shopping for items ranging from hand crafted items, paintings, food and a
assortment of other items. It isn't a SCA event but if you are interested in
a little Norwegian history in Texas and would like to do a little shopping
at the same time it could be fun.
     The date and time is December 4 from 9:00 am to like 5:00 or 6:00 pm.
Clifton is about 30 miles west of Waco, Tx. on Hwy 6. There is a small
charge for the home tour. The vendors will be in the armory/community
center. I don't believe ther is a charge for the armory but is included as
one of the stops for the home tour.

            Griffin

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Hugh & Belinda Niewoehner <
burgborrendohl at valornet.com> wrote:

> I would totally support an all-merchanting event. Heck isn't that the
>> main reason to go to the big wars?
>>
>> ~Eve
>>
>
> The Kingdom of Calontir holds a market day every year in Forgotten Sea
> (Kansas City).  This year it is on December 11 in Shawnee, Ks.
>
> http://bfs-kc.org/events
>
> Ismet
>
>
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