[Ansteorra] Very interesting story on concussions

[Liam Gordon]

Lyonel,

Fair enough.  I can see that.  I've been hit by the Duke whil in
Atlantia... And I can understand it the fears about mTBI also.  I'm just
glad that we all realize that even though the injuries can happen, we're not
screaming to change the rules for our helms.  We just know that we have to
take care of ourselves and our friends.

Jovian, thanks for starting this thread.  It's a good one for conversation.

Liam

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Salut cozyns,
>
> I've run full tilt into spear tips a few times. I have a particular
> loathing for brown duct-taped spearheads. Being stopped by a grounded pike
> always hurts. It usually does more damage to my neck than my head, but I
> usually end up seeing those little flashes and streaks of light colloquially
> referred to as "stars," so I know the injury IS concussive.o
>
> The worst head shot I ever took, however, was not from a grounded pike. Nor
> was it a poleaxe or mass weapon. It was a simple broadsword in the right
> hand of Duke Michael of Bedford. I was a junior squire at the time, and His
> Grace was in teaching mode at Estrella War, favoring the squires of Dukes
> Brion and Trelon with His instructive attention. Following a shoulder-feint,
> His Grace flat-snapped me just below my left ear. Though I couldn't block
> the shot, I saw it coming, knew where it would hit, braced for impact, and
> still had a hard time retaining consciousness. The resulting headache lasted
> two weeks. My helm at the time was a slightly over-sized 12-ga, Norman
> conical helm with lots of sturdy motorcycle padding.
>
> The only shot I've ever taken that came close to being that damaging was
> from Sir Christopher Reuben Montoya of Atenveldt, a lovely young man with
> 25" biceps and a 50" chest. His shot blew through my sword and one corner of
> my shield (yes, I had one once). If not for the layers of defense, he'd have
> cold-cocked me. No question about it.
>
> So, yes, Liam, I do believe the danger of TBI is one not entirely mitigated
> by our defenses.
>
> En Lyonel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Jean Paul de Sens <jeanpauldesens at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't know Liam... there's several times I've been hit in the head hard
>> enough that I got an instant headache.  Conventional wisdom is that those
>> are mini-concussions.  And I do remember times following those kinds of
>> hits
>> where I was not mentally at 100%.  I worry about the mass of my helmet
>> being
>> insufficient (mine is only about 7 lbs), and have thought about going to a
>> heavier helmet just to protect my noggin better.
>>
>> Granted, I agree we don't need any rule changes, but as experienced
>> fighters, we need to watch out for all of our friends, old and new, when
>> they get a new helm, and make sure it has sufficient mass to keep them
>> from
>> harm.
>>
>> JP
>>
>> Qui mieux fait, mieux vault.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Liam Gordon <cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> I agree that head injuries are serious business.  TBI (Traumatic Brain
>>> Injury) is not fun to deal with, whether you have it or you have a loved
>>> one
>>> or a friend with it.  Those in the military have more than likely been
>>> exposed.
>>>
>>> Personally, I do not believe that what we do in this game will cause TBI
>>> to
>>> our heavy fighters.  Yes, we get hit in the head, a lot.  Yes sometimes
>>> those shots are pretty hard, but between the mass of the helm, the
>>> padding
>>> and the fact that we're not running then, bam, we all of sudden stop like
>>> we
>>> just got tackled vie a vie a linebacker...
>>>
>>> Well, ok, there is a Fiacha out there but he's a teddy bear, unless
>>> you're
>>> a
>>> skinny bean pole like Ioannes Dalassenos... Just ask Ioannes the next
>>> time
>>> you see him, he'll tell ya the story... Hehehe)
>>>
>>> Do our armor rules need to change? No.  We just have to be more cognizant
>>> of
>>> our selves and our bodies.  And if we feel that our own armour isn't good
>>> enough, then change it.  Make sure that you feel safe in your own
>>> armor...
>>> That's the key.
>>>
>>> Liam
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:17 PM, <deddy2 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard this on NPR the other day. Interesting and scary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.npr.org/2011/01/20/133053436/brain-injuries-haunt-football-players-years-later
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know I'll look more closely at my helmet padding.
>>>>
>>>> Grace and Peace,
>>>>
>>>> Jovian
>>>>
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