[Ansteorra] Very interesting story on concussions

Sir Lyonel sirlyonel at hotmail.com
Fri Jan 28 08:41:56 PST 2011 

Salut cozyns,

Different versions of the same concept, but all the cardio in the  
world is useless if you don't use it. After getting my head handed to  
me by Duke Michael, I asked my knight what I should have done:

"I recognized the shoulder feint, knew exactly where he was going to  
hit me, but I couldn't do anything to stop it."

He asked: "Then why did you stay there?"

En Lyonel

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Brandon McDermott <brandonsmcd at yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> Rule # 1 is Cardio Cardio Cardio.......
>
> --- On Fri, 1/28/11, Clint Gallon <cgallon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Clint Gallon <cgallon at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Very interesting story on concussions
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 8:59 AM
>
>
> When you are fighting guys like that ... apply Defense Rule #1.
>
> Dont be there.
>
> -- Cathal
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Liam Gordon <cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> Lyonel,
>>
>> Fair enough.  I can see that.  I've been hit by the Duke whil in
>> Atlantia... And I can understand it the fears about mTBI also.  I'm  
>> just
>> glad that we all realize that even though the injuries can happen,  
>> we're
>> not
>> screaming to change the rules for our helms.  We just know that we  
>> have to
>> take care of ourselves and our friends.
>>
>> Jovian, thanks for starting this thread.  It's a good one for  
>> conversation.
>>
>> Liam
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Salut cozyns,
>>>
>>> I've run full tilt into spear tips a few times. I have a particular
>>> loathing for brown duct-taped spearheads. Being stopped by a  
>>> grounded
>> pike
>>> always hurts. It usually does more damage to my neck than my head,  
>>> but I
>>> usually end up seeing those little flashes and streaks of light
>> colloquially
>>> referred to as "stars," so I know the injury IS concussive.o
>>>
>>> The worst head shot I ever took, however, was not from a grounded  
>>> pike.
>> Nor
>>> was it a poleaxe or mass weapon. It was a simple broadsword in the  
>>> right
>>> hand of Duke Michael of Bedford. I was a junior squire at the  
>>> time, and
>> His
>>> Grace was in teaching mode at Estrella War, favoring the squires  
>>> of Dukes
>>> Brion and Trelon with His instructive attention. Following a
>> shoulder-feint,
>>> His Grace flat-snapped me just below my left ear. Though I  
>>> couldn't block
>>> the shot, I saw it coming, knew where it would hit, braced for  
>>> impact,
>> and
>>> still had a hard time retaining consciousness. The resulting  
>>> headache
>> lasted
>>> two weeks. My helm at the time was a slightly over-sized 12-ga,  
>>> Norman
>>> conical helm with lots of sturdy motorcycle padding.
>>>
>>> The only shot I've ever taken that came close to being that  
>>> damaging was
>>> from Sir Christopher Reuben Montoya of Atenveldt, a lovely young  
>>> man with
>>> 25" biceps and a 50" chest. His shot blew through my sword and one  
>>> corner
>> of
>>> my shield (yes, I had one once). If not for the layers of defense,  
>>> he'd
>> have
>>> cold-cocked me. No question about it.
>>>
>>> So, yes, Liam, I do believe the danger of TBI is one not entirely
>> mitigated
>>> by our defenses.
>>>
>>> En Lyonel
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Jean Paul de Sens <
>> jeanpauldesens at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know Liam... there's several times I've been hit in the  
>>> head hard
>>>> enough that I got an instant headache.  Conventional wisdom is that
>> those
>>>> are mini-concussions.  And I do remember times following those  
>>>> kinds of
>>>> hits
>>>> where I was not mentally at 100%.  I worry about the mass of my  
>>>> helmet
>>>> being
>>>> insufficient (mine is only about 7 lbs), and have thought about  
>>>> going to
>> a
>>>> heavier helmet just to protect my noggin better.
>>>>
>>>> Granted, I agree we don't need any rule changes, but as experienced
>>>> fighters, we need to watch out for all of our friends, old and  
>>>> new, when
>>>> they get a new helm, and make sure it has sufficient mass to keep  
>>>> them
>>>> from
>>>> harm.
>>>>
>>>> JP
>>>>
>>>> Qui mieux fait, mieux vault.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Liam Gordon <
>> cenliamgordon2005 at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree that head injuries are serious business.  TBI (Traumatic  
>>>> Brain
>>>>> Injury) is not fun to deal with, whether you have it or you have a
>> loved
>>>>> one
>>>>> or a friend with it.  Those in the military have more than  
>>>>> likely been
>>>>> exposed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I do not believe that what we do in this game will  
>>>>> cause
>> TBI
>>>>> to
>>>>> our heavy fighters.  Yes, we get hit in the head, a lot.  Yes  
>>>>> sometimes
>>>>> those shots are pretty hard, but between the mass of the helm, the
>>>>> padding
>>>>> and the fact that we're not running then, bam, we all of sudden  
>>>>> stop
>> like
>>>>> we
>>>>> just got tackled vie a vie a linebacker...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, ok, there is a Fiacha out there but he's a teddy bear,  
>>>>> unless
>>>>> you're
>>>>> a
>>>>> skinny bean pole like Ioannes Dalassenos... Just ask Ioannes the  
>>>>> next
>>>>> time
>>>>> you see him, he'll tell ya the story... Hehehe)
>>>>>
>>>>> Do our armor rules need to change? No.  We just have to be more
>> cognizant
>>>>> of
>>>>> our selves and our bodies.  And if we feel that our own armour  
>>>>> isn't
>> good
>>>>> enough, then change it.  Make sure that you feel safe in your own
>>>>> armor...
>>>>> That's the key.
>>>>>
>>>>> Liam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:17 PM, <deddy2 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard this on NPR the other day. Interesting and scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://www.npr.org/2011/01/20/133053436/brain-injuries-haunt-football-players-years-later
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I'll look more closely at my helmet padding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grace and Peace,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jovian
>>>>>>
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