[Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel

[Ld.blackmoon]

greetings

i'm sorry if my reply gave the impression that i was upset .
all i was doing was posting my opinions as to why i ( and others ) dont 
display or compete very often.
when people get conflicting information on what the laurels / judges want , 
it is most often easiest to just not enter . when one asks different judges 
what they should do ,documentation wise, and one is told " who, why, when , 
where, how, with references to where you found your info," by one and " you 
need at least a 50 page documentation nicely bound, with step by step 
pictures of you doing the work, and then you will need to build a proper 
display so that it will attract attention , and you should stand there 
quietly ,until or if you are ask a question about your entry , oh and a cold 
beer or wine, and chocolate will always make them judge you better "  from 
another , its enough to make you throw up your hands and walk away .
and while i can see putting up a fancy display if your displaying a body of 
work  for the competition , but if i'm going to " display ' the tools i made 
something with it will more than likely be because i made the tools as well 
, which would then require more documentation  ( did i mention my 
documentation skills bite ? ) your perfect brick display sounds like 
something a laurel with lots of time would create ,not your average to 
medium entrant. although during a recent discussion about making axes , and 
entering them in an a&s competition requiring a display as to how the period 
item would be used , people descided that a lifesize dummy with proper 
makeup whith knives and axes stuck in apropriate wounds , would attract 
atention , and display exactly how period blades would have been recieved in 
period , then we thought of doing the same with a dummy in armor and showing 
that arrows and crossbow bolts could and did penetrate most armors , but we 
also decided that watching people become nauseus wasnt worth the effort .
allthough i must say , that in the past the northern laurels / judges were 
more likely to talk to me after ward than those farther south, this may have 
changed as i havent been able to afford to travel south much in a couple 
years.
actually i have the oposite problem, i was brought into the sca by peers, i 
have spent 29 years running around and hanging out with peers,etc, so it 
takes more than a peerage to scare or intimidate me, in fact when a peer 
actually acts like an sca peer is supposed to act,  i am more impressed than 
i am intimidated. ( just a note, having never met gaston de clermont , i 
have to say that i am impressed by his response, seeing in my post that i 
did not understand the way things are suposed to be run , he did the noble 
thing , the peer like thing , and tried to enlighten me as well as giving me 
information on where to look to better understand the process . ) so a peer 
that admits they know nothing about my medium , but is willing to learn is 
more impressive to me ,than the peer that pretends to know , but then writes 
down things in no way relivant to the medium ,could ever be .
again just my opinions
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
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From: <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel


> Thank you for trying to help me out.
> When Mistress Branywn came up with the idea of the Laurel Prize tourney it 
> was event for the Laurel's to spot light the emerging artisans of our 
> kingdom. We even had a tournament where each fighter fought for a Laurel.
> The displays were a chance to show off not only the work of the artist but 
> his or hers knowledge of the cultures that go with the art. It was a time 
> to show off the artisan. it was a chance to have this pretty thing were we 
> admire each other.
> Mistress Branywn went on to create the "Artisan" competition starting with 
> Artisan of the Steppes.
> Before that everything was cut and dry. Art--Craft- documentation- win- 
> lose. We didn't talk about the Artisan we just talked about the piece. 
> That tradition is unbroken in the case of the North because they never 
> followed the Central fad of the artisan contest.
> In fact the main group that still makes a big thing about displaying your 
> works in a pleasing and attractive manner is the Artisan of the Steppes 
> and of five years ago it was one of the hardest and biggest art event in 
> the kingdom. Artisan from throughout the kingdom and from other kingdoms 
> would show up.
> Anytime you are looking at the complete artisan there is more to see than 
> just the piece.
> For example we have been talking about the "perfect brick" in the piece 
> competition you put your brick down and the documentation showing 
> everything is in period. The judges give it a perfect score and that is 
> the end of story.
> In an "Artisan" display you might put the brick in center and slightly 
> raised and like you were making a learning diagram you might show an 
> article on the history of the brick and some pictures of uses of bricks, 
> period tools for making bricks, kilns for bricks and papers on the changes 
> in bricks and how bricks affected the medieval culture.
> This kind of display would show the kind of research you went into to 
> create this brick and If this display was put out at a demo it would show 
> the SAC commitment to life long learning.
> A brick can just be a perfect score or it is the tip of the iceberg of 
> lifelong research.
> In the years long, long ago we would show  this kind of display in our 
> campsites. We called it "living Arts" and even gave prizes for it and some 
> people even got Laurel for it.
> I am sorry that Lord Arthur got upset at my suggestion but I can assure 
> him that I haven't seen a single competition in the North that cares if 
> you put a pretty cloth under your item. I think he is being unfair to the 
> people up here.
> On the other hand a piece of chocolate and a piece of cloth that will help 
> us start talking without me sounding like I am grilling a crime suspect 
> would be nice. I find it hard to open up with people who are shaking in 
> fear because I am a Laurel.
> Mistress Willow de Wisp
>
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