[Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel

[Ld.blackmoon]

greetings

ahhh, but if it didn't "need " to be done judges wouldn't tell people "you 
need to work on your display "  placing things on a dark or light towel etc. 
to protect them from an accidental drop , in a balanced display  ( not 
overly crowded with items including the documentation ,or too sparse for the 
space allotted , 1 piece of regalia and documentation looks silly alone on a 
6' table ) looks better to me than some gaudy multi level store window 
display, I feel that if they have to work that hard to " sell " their 
product , it cant be very well made, and they probably cut corners on the 
item ,in order to have more time for the gaudy display : (   that or they 
are retired, and have lots of extra time at home to work on things , or 
others making things for them.
but I do have to say that duchess willows statement about using those flashy 
displays at demo's is a good idea, and works, people at demos usually need 
the shiny /sparkly to attract attention, and sometimes people seeing those 
items on display are interested enough to start playing in order to gain 
more knowledge . but I feel that they shouldn't be needed where 
knowledgeable adults with an existing interest are doing the judging .
I know that since the modern world came up with attention deficit syndrome 
and its many variants , there is a medical excuse for not paying attention , 
but if you watch people , they usually only have problems paying attention 
when its something they don't care about , or they find boring , judging an 
a&s competition should never be boring unless the majority of entrants all 
bring the same red clay bowl to enter .

the archery range examples don't really count , since we have been "trying " 
to bright / flashy / sparkly the ranges to attract people with no interest 
in archery to the archery ranges , so that they can see that it isn't 
boring, and to see the level of skill that can be found there , as well as 
the honor shown regularly. since some people still believe that the only 
places to find war like martial skills is the heavy or rapier list fields.

traps I can do ; ) I'm not real good at them yet ,do to lack of practice 
time. are there going to be any  trees , or large stones near the displays ? 
; P
or do wild caught laurels also count ?  also once you catch one what do you 
do with them ? is there a special recipe ? or are you then responsible for 
their care and feeding for the rest of their lives ??
weird minds want to know ; )

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel


> Perhaps looking at it a different way ... I see people doing things 
> everywhere that don't *NEED* to be done. At the Archery range I have seen 
> bobbing heads with the faces and even eyes painted, fish that explode, 
> Evil Elmo with 3 inch fangs and a sword. None of these types of things are 
> *NEEDED*. But they do make it fun and draw attention. The chivalric 
> fighter on the field that spends $800+ on a helm, the rapier fighter that 
> makes sure they have lace on their clothing for fighting in, or even the 
> artisan that gets some black cloth to put behind or on their display. None 
> of these things are *NEEDED* ... but ... we are only human and our eyes 
> are drawn to things that are interesting and / or contrasting. There are 
> ways to do things that will make it far better and more exciting than a 
> small bowl sitting on a table with a card.
>
> While I agree that we all need to be careful not to get sucked in to 
> flashy=good and that we need to look at the underlying work that it took 
> to make something. We should still be aware that contrasting colors make 
> it easier to notice something. When I setup my display with the crossbow 
> it is not to add lights and everything to it, it is to create a contrast 
> of colors. The wood in my crossbow was too close in color to the table 
> tops and they were plastic so I really did not want the table top to take 
> away from my display. To fix that I put down some black cloth and suddenly 
> it looks better because it stands out more.
>
> I am looking forward to Laurel's Prize Tourney and I am devising traps for 
> any Laurels that may venture too near:-)
>
> YIS,
> Vincenti
>
>
> On 7/28/2011 2:07 AM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
>> greetings
>>
>> lol, don't feel lonesome , between being strongly opinionated, not
>> afraid to open my mouth, and having terrible documentation skills, I
>> doubt I will ever join them either ; )
>> I think the problem is different than most people see, from my
>> perspective . as an a& s peer , they should be looking at every thing
>> they get the chance to , and advising / teaching as often as possible.
>> not just teaching / advising their chosen students. they should be
>> examining all entries , not just the ones with flashy colors , or fancy
>> displays. if your entry needs those things because it isn't very well
>> made, or it is made from modern materials in a modern fashion , I guess
>> that's ok, but , if I want to sell my stuff for profit I'll build a
>> display to attract the people with no knowledge, but lots of money, a& s
>> peers are supposed to be both knowledgeable and interested in things a &
>> s , as the top of the a & s food chain they shouldn't need flashy /
>> shiny to attract their attention.
>> skill and craftsmanship / knowledge should draw them like a moth to the
>> flame .
>> but hey , its their show , let them have fun their own way , ill keep
>> having fun making things ; )
>> again , just my opinion : )
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> Arthur
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Dodd"
>> <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Ansteorra" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I am not a Laurel and most likely will never join that little club.
>>> However, I have been a merchant for several years & I know that you
>>> will get more interest by having an interesting display. Having things
>>> at different levels is basic eye catching. It holds interest, where
>>> people will actually look at the items.A bowl on a table with a piece
>>> of paper is boring. Put that same bowl on an angle, to catch the light
>>> and show the colors, is much better & will get more response. While
>>> chocolate is good, you don't need "showgirls Or oiled towel boys".
>>> Just put a little effort into the display of what you put so much time
>>> and effort into making. I normally would not get into this discussion,
>>> since as I said I am not a Laurel, but I once entered a small A&S
>>> 'event' which, while NOT LPT,was similar in that it was for discussion
>>> and advice as to how to do 'it' better. What ever 'it' was.My display
>>> was flat. I had no table cover. Nothing to make the display
>>> interesting. At the end of the
>>> day I had few remarks, less advice. While it is certainly possible,
>>> that nobody there knew much about what I was displaying, I don't even
>>> remember what it was, If I had had a more interesting display, more
>>> people would have stopped and looked. YES it is merchandising. But if
>>> you want people, besides those who "geek out on the very things
>>> artisans are working on", to look at what you have done than you HAVE
>>> to catch their eye. Laurels are humans too, most of the time. They
>>> want to look at interesting things. Ly Gabriele
>>>
>>> The pursuit of truth and beauty is a sphere of activity in which we
>>> are allowed to remain children all our lives. (Albert Einstein)
>>> > From: barrett1 at cox.net
>>>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:05:35 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>>>
>>>> "And there are some shy Laurels. I have met them. But in
>>>> performance of our duties in aiding artisans to be their best, we 
>>>> should
>>>> never have to be lured like a mythical unicorn."
>>>> Suvdchin, OL
>>>>
>>>> Umm... I'd like to point out publically to my fellow Laurels that you
>>>> guys
>>>> are ruining what could be the wildest Arts & Sciences blowout the
>>>> Kingdom
>>>> has ever seen!
>>>> If we convince people we need wooing, we could have full body
>>>> massages while
>>>> reading docs, with champagne and quail eggs and those little toast
>>>> things
>>>> with smoked salmon while artisans display their work with wet bars and
>>>> chocolate fountains and showgirls wearing nothing but feathers and
>>>> jewelry
>>>> and oiled towel boys with sloppy hair and sedated monkeys wearing
>>>> little SCA
>>>> outfits all dancing around suggestively like a Kafka-written
>>>> nightmare when
>>>> not leading you gently to the vomitorium.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not ashamed of my dreams!
>>>>
>>>> : )
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, all joking aside, yes, most of us became Laurels because we
>>>> geek out
>>>> on the very things artisans are working on - we can't help but pay
>>>> attention, most of the time.
>>>>
>>>> Her Grace Willow was honestly trying to lend a helping hand, give a few
>>>> pointers to those who have never displayed before, but she was trying 
>>>> to
>>>> help, not declare Commandments. If your table has just your favorite
>>>> drinking mug and your art on it, we will stop by.
>>>>
>>>> Shame though,... everything is better with monkeys.
>>>>
>>>>
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