[Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel

Thu Jul 28 08:42:34 PDT 2011

greetings

I think it would be a pleasure to meet him ; )
but don't get the wrong idea, I have had a couple of the northern laurels, 
and  friends from the elfsea area start helping me with things like places 
to look for even more info, and ideas for things to make ; ) ( found a knife 
sheath from the 13 hundreds im pretty sure I can duplicate ; )
but the people who seem more interested in bright / flashy / sparkly 
backdrop displays ,than they seem to be of the actual items craftsmanship / 
knowledge , gives everyone a lesser image of  the judges , we are supposed 
to act like adults with an interest in the
 a &s , not like blue jays or bored small children that " need " sparkly / 
bright/ shiny things to attract their attention . I go to a&s things to see 
what others are doing and how well they are doing them , not to see who 
spent the most time on their backdrops : (
but I guess I'm just weird : (
lol, already have , I make things that people enjoy receiving = )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Clark" <jmclark85 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel


> Arthur,
>
> I completely understand your frustrations with A&S. I work in an art that
> very few (perhaps 2-3 people) really have more than a passing familiarity
> of. I've been told that I need to "dumb down" my research and show things
> that were more "basic". I've also been told that my documentation
> constitutes a research paper, so when I shorten it to just the "basic 
> facts"
> with little explanation then no one knows what I'm saying and I get
> complaints about that.
>
> Because of the kingdom's seemingly single-minded focus on fiber arts and
> clothing (not entirely true, but it can feel that way); you either end up
> working where everyone knows everything about what you are doing and they
> all have their ideas about how you should have done it better, or you are
> where no one has a clue and you get pushed off to the side in favour of 
> what
> everyone does know. I've thrown up my hands and walked away, twice, 
> because
> of it.
>
> That being said, you should meet Sir/Master Gaston (who is literally a 
> peer
> twice over, and deserves it). He and others like him who I have known have
> kept me going and provided some clear and welcome direction in the mass of
> confusion. Take a break if you need to, but don't give up; and try not to
> turn into a curmudgeon -- it's not worth it. Once you meet the right 
> people
> and find your groove (or niche) and how to apply it to SCA culture 
> (remember
> that the SCA has its own culture in the dream, as well as the period
> cultures that we dream up) everything is worth it and it becomes loads of
> fun (punctuated by moments where you want to strangle a judge).
>
> --AS Zorzi
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> greetings
>>
>> i'm sorry if my reply gave the impression that i was upset .
>> all i was doing was posting my opinions as to why i ( and others ) dont
>> display or compete very often.
>> when people get conflicting information on what the laurels / judges want 
>> ,
>> it is most often easiest to just not enter . when one asks different 
>> judges
>> what they should do ,documentation wise, and one is told " who, why, when 
>> ,
>> where, how, with references to where you found your info," by one and " 
>> you
>> need at least a 50 page documentation nicely bound, with step by step
>> pictures of you doing the work, and then you will need to build a proper
>> display so that it will attract attention , and you should stand there
>> quietly ,until or if you are ask a question about your entry , oh and a 
>> cold
>> beer or wine, and chocolate will always make them judge you better " 
>> from
>> another , its enough to make you throw up your hands and walk away .
>> and while i can see putting up a fancy display if your displaying a body 
>> of
>> work  for the competition , but if i'm going to " display ' the tools i 
>> made
>> something with it will more than likely be because i made the tools as 
>> well
>> , which would then require more documentation  ( did i mention my
>> documentation skills bite ? ) your perfect brick display sounds like
>> something a laurel with lots of time would create ,not your average to
>> medium entrant. although during a recent discussion about making axes , 
>> and
>> entering them in an a&s competition requiring a display as to how the 
>> period
>> item would be used , people descided that a lifesize dummy with proper
>> makeup whith knives and axes stuck in apropriate wounds , would attract
>> atention , and display exactly how period blades would have been recieved 
>> in
>> period , then we thought of doing the same with a dummy in armor and 
>> showing
>> that arrows and crossbow bolts could and did penetrate most armors , but 
>> we
>> also decided that watching people become nauseus wasnt worth the effort .
>> allthough i must say , that in the past the northern laurels / judges 
>> were
>> more likely to talk to me after ward than those farther south, this may 
>> have
>> changed as i havent been able to afford to travel south much in a couple
>> years.
>> actually i have the oposite problem, i was brought into the sca by peers, 
>> i
>> have spent 29 years running around and hanging out with peers,etc, so it
>> takes more than a peerage to scare or intimidate me, in fact when a peer
>> actually acts like an sca peer is supposed to act,  i am more impressed 
>> than
>> i am intimidated. ( just a note, having never met gaston de clermont , i
>> have to say that i am impressed by his response, seeing in my post that i
>> did not understand the way things are suposed to be run , he did the 
>> noble
>> thing , the peer like thing , and tried to enlighten me as well as giving 
>> me
>> information on where to look to better understand the process . ) so a 
>> peer
>> that admits they know nothing about my medium , but is willing to learn 
>> is
>> more impressive to me ,than the peer that pretends to know , but then 
>> writes
>> down things in no way relivant to the medium ,could ever be .
>> again just my opinions
>>
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> Arthur
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <willowdewisp at juno.com>
>> To: <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org**>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:06 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>
>>
>>  Thank you for trying to help me out.
>>> When Mistress Branywn came up with the idea of the Laurel Prize tourney 
>>> it
>>> was event for the Laurel's to spot light the emerging artisans of our
>>> kingdom. We even had a tournament where each fighter fought for a 
>>> Laurel.
>>> The displays were a chance to show off not only the work of the artist 
>>> but
>>> his or hers knowledge of the cultures that go with the art. It was a 
>>> time to
>>> show off the artisan. it was a chance to have this pretty thing were we
>>> admire each other.
>>> Mistress Branywn went on to create the "Artisan" competition starting 
>>> with
>>> Artisan of the Steppes.
>>> Before that everything was cut and dry. Art--Craft- documentation- win-
>>> lose. We didn't talk about the Artisan we just talked about the piece. 
>>> That
>>> tradition is unbroken in the case of the North because they never 
>>> followed
>>> the Central fad of the artisan contest.
>>> In fact the main group that still makes a big thing about displaying 
>>> your
>>> works in a pleasing and attractive manner is the Artisan of the Steppes 
>>> and
>>> of five years ago it was one of the hardest and biggest art event in the
>>> kingdom. Artisan from throughout the kingdom and from other kingdoms 
>>> would
>>> show up.
>>> Anytime you are looking at the complete artisan there is more to see 
>>> than
>>> just the piece.
>>> For example we have been talking about the "perfect brick" in the piece
>>> competition you put your brick down and the documentation showing 
>>> everything
>>> is in period. The judges give it a perfect score and that is the end of
>>> story.
>>> In an "Artisan" display you might put the brick in center and slightly
>>> raised and like you were making a learning diagram you might show an 
>>> article
>>> on the history of the brick and some pictures of uses of bricks, period
>>> tools for making bricks, kilns for bricks and papers on the changes in
>>> bricks and how bricks affected the medieval culture.
>>> This kind of display would show the kind of research you went into to
>>> create this brick and If this display was put out at a demo it would 
>>> show
>>> the SAC commitment to life long learning.
>>> A brick can just be a perfect score or it is the tip of the iceberg of
>>> lifelong research.
>>> In the years long, long ago we would show  this kind of display in our
>>> campsites. We called it "living Arts" and even gave prizes for it and 
>>> some
>>> people even got Laurel for it.
>>> I am sorry that Lord Arthur got upset at my suggestion but I can assure
>>> him that I haven't seen a single competition in the North that cares if 
>>> you
>>> put a pretty cloth under your item. I think he is being unfair to the 
>>> people
>>> up here.
>>> On the other hand a piece of chocolate and a piece of cloth that will 
>>> help
>>> us start talking without me sounding like I am grilling a crime suspect
>>> would be nice. I find it hard to open up with people who are shaking in 
>>> fear
>>> because I am a Laurel.
>>> Mistress Willow de Wisp
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