[Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel

Haraldr Bassi ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org
Thu Jul 28 14:05:43 PDT 2011


Didn't you say the other day that you were planning to move your research into the vivisection 
arena?

Haraldr

On 7/28/11 3:49 PM, Peter Wohlers wrote:
> If you like you can be part of my display next. :)
> Pieter
>
> CAVE QUID DICIS,QUANDO,ET CUI
>
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> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Zach Most<clermont1348 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> I'm a big fan of Haraldr's displays.  It really does feel like you're stepping into a craftsman's workshop.  It works particularly well at venues like Laurel's Prize where you have the time to play with the tools.  He taught my daughter how to use a bow drill. It was a great demo that spread enthusiasm.
>>   And have you gotten to sail in Czina's corracle?  It's another great example of something that's fantastic, and more impressive outside of a formal competition setting.
>>   Gaston
>>
>> On Thu Jul 28th, 2011 11:14 AM PDT Haraldr Bassi wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Vincenti,
>>>
>>> Most of your examples have solid evidence for people doing the exact same types of things in
>>> period. Historically archery tourneys had odd shoots (split the wand, grid etc) and rarely used
>>> a modern concentric circle paper target. Fencers tended to be well dressed and the period they
>>> were popular lace was the standard dress. Chivalric tourney fighters would invest their winnings
>>> in fancy armor to impress people and intimidate their opponents.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, for most of period, there were little to no places where multiple artisans came
>>> together to compare and contrast their creations to other artisans in a competition, at least
>>> not that I've seen.
>>>
>>> However, some artisans were also merchants and if they didn't have an attractive booth display
>>> their family would starve. But in general, most artisans would have a one on one relationship
>>> between themselves and their patron for creation of a specific item or service.
>>>
>>> My own personal approach to artisan participation displays is to use this as an opportunity to
>>> actually perform my art in front of people. This equates to the artisan working in his shop with
>>> the front raised up and people walking by and being caught up in the sounds and smells of the
>>> work. While that approach works well for non-competition, it doesn't stand up so well for static
>>> display competitions like Kingdom A&S and Gulf Wars.
>>>
>>> A very specific example, there is a world of difference between seeing a spring pole lathe in
>>> action with wood shavings flying all over the place and soft chuff of the wood and tools working
>>> together to seeing a picture of a lathe and the results of a week of effort culminating in a
>>> very basic wooden bowl. Believe me in how tough it is to express the thrill and grandeur of the
>>> creation of something so small and humble.
>>>
>>> Haraldr
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/28/11 9:58 AM, Doug Copley wrote:
>>>> Perhaps looking at it a different way ... I see people doing things everywhere that don't *NEED*
>>>> to be done. At the Archery range I have seen bobbing heads with the faces and even eyes painted,
>>>> fish that explode, Evil Elmo with 3 inch fangs and a sword. None of these types of things are
>>>> *NEEDED*. But they do make it fun and draw attention. The chivalric fighter on the field that
>>>> spends $800+ on a helm, the rapier fighter that makes sure they have lace on their clothing for
>>>> fighting in, or even the artisan that gets some black cloth to put behind or on their display.
>>>> None of these things are *NEEDED* ... but ... we are only human and our eyes are drawn to things
>>>> that are interesting and / or contrasting. There are ways to do things that will make it far
>>>> better and more exciting than a small bowl sitting on a table with a card.
>>>>
>>>> While I agree that we all need to be careful not to get sucked in to flashy=good and that we
>>>> need to look at the underlying work that it took to make something. We should still be aware
>>>> that contrasting colors make it easier to notice something. When I setup my display with the
>>>> crossbow it is not to add lights and everything to it, it is to create a contrast of colors. The
>>>> wood in my crossbow was too close in color to the table tops and they were plastic so I really
>>>> did not want the table top to take away from my display. To fix that I put down some black cloth
>>>> and suddenly it looks better because it stands out more.
>>>>
>>>> I am looking forward to Laurel's Prize Tourney and I am devising traps for any Laurels that may
>>>> venture too near:-)
>>>>
>>>> YIS,
>>>> Vincenti
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/2011 2:07 AM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
>>>>> greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> lol, don't feel lonesome , between being strongly opinionated, not
>>>>> afraid to open my mouth, and having terrible documentation skills, I
>>>>> doubt I will ever join them either ; )
>>>>> I think the problem is different than most people see, from my
>>>>> perspective . as an a&  s peer , they should be looking at every thing
>>>>> they get the chance to , and advising / teaching as often as possible.
>>>>> not just teaching / advising their chosen students. they should be
>>>>> examining all entries , not just the ones with flashy colors , or fancy
>>>>> displays. if your entry needs those things because it isn't very well
>>>>> made, or it is made from modern materials in a modern fashion , I guess
>>>>> that's ok, but , if I want to sell my stuff for profit I'll build a
>>>>> display to attract the people with no knowledge, but lots of money, a&  s
>>>>> peers are supposed to be both knowledgeable and interested in things a&
>>>>> s , as the top of the a&  s food chain they shouldn't need flashy /
>>>>> shiny to attract their attention.
>>>>> skill and craftsmanship / knowledge should draw them like a moth to the
>>>>> flame .
>>>>> but hey , its their show , let them have fun their own way , ill keep
>>>>> having fun making things ; )
>>>>> again , just my opinion : )
>>>>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>>>>> Arthur
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Dodd"
>>>>> <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Ansteorra"<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:50 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a Laurel and most likely will never join that little club.
>>>>>> However, I have been a merchant for several years&  I know that you
>>>>>> will get more interest by having an interesting display. Having things
>>>>>> at different levels is basic eye catching. It holds interest, where
>>>>>> people will actually look at the items.A bowl on a table with a piece
>>>>>> of paper is boring. Put that same bowl on an angle, to catch the light
>>>>>> and show the colors, is much better&  will get more response. While
>>>>>> chocolate is good, you don't need "showgirls Or oiled towel boys".
>>>>>> Just put a little effort into the display of what you put so much time
>>>>>> and effort into making. I normally would not get into this discussion,
>>>>>> since as I said I am not a Laurel, but I once entered a small A&S
>>>>>> 'event' which, while NOT LPT,was similar in that it was for discussion
>>>>>> and advice as to how to do 'it' better. What ever 'it' was.My display
>>>>>> was flat. I had no table cover. Nothing to make the display
>>>>>> interesting. At the end of the
>>>>>> day I had few remarks, less advice. While it is certainly possible,
>>>>>> that nobody there knew much about what I was displaying, I don't even
>>>>>> remember what it was, If I had had a more interesting display, more
>>>>>> people would have stopped and looked. YES it is merchandising. But if
>>>>>> you want people, besides those who "geek out on the very things
>>>>>> artisans are working on", to look at what you have done than you HAVE
>>>>>> to catch their eye. Laurels are humans too, most of the time. They
>>>>>> want to look at interesting things. Ly Gabriele
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pursuit of truth and beauty is a sphere of activity in which we
>>>>>> are allowed to remain children all our lives. (Albert Einstein)
>>>>>>> From: barrett1 at cox.net
>>>>>>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:05:35 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] How to Trap a Laurel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "And there are some shy Laurels. I have met them. But in
>>>>>>> performance of our duties in aiding artisans to be their best, we should
>>>>>>> never have to be lured like a mythical unicorn."
>>>>>>> Suvdchin, OL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Umm... I'd like to point out publically to my fellow Laurels that you
>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> are ruining what could be the wildest Arts&  Sciences blowout the
>>>>>>> Kingdom
>>>>>>> has ever seen!
>>>>>>> If we convince people we need wooing, we could have full body
>>>>>>> massages while
>>>>>>> reading docs, with champagne and quail eggs and those little toast
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> with smoked salmon while artisans display their work with wet bars and
>>>>>>> chocolate fountains and showgirls wearing nothing but feathers and
>>>>>>> jewelry
>>>>>>> and oiled towel boys with sloppy hair and sedated monkeys wearing
>>>>>>> little SCA
>>>>>>> outfits all dancing around suggestively like a Kafka-written
>>>>>>> nightmare when
>>>>>>> not leading you gently to the vomitorium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not ashamed of my dreams!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> : )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, all joking aside, yes, most of us became Laurels because we
>>>>>>> geek out
>>>>>>> on the very things artisans are working on - we can't help but pay
>>>>>>> attention, most of the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Her Grace Willow was honestly trying to lend a helping hand, give a few
>>>>>>> pointers to those who have never displayed before, but she was trying to
>>>>>>> help, not declare Commandments. If your table has just your favorite
>>>>>>> drinking mug and your art on it, we will stop by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shame though,... everything is better with monkeys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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