[Ansteorra] Latin Help?

[Mike Andrews]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 07:23:25AM -0600, HerrDetlef wrote:
> So I take it the Latin construction parallels the English: Regnum
> Ansteorrae is a word-for-word translation of "The Kingdom OF Ansteorra."
> 
> I was curious about that. The German construction is a little different;
> for example, what we would call "The Federal Republic of Germany," is "Die
> Bundesrepublik Deutschland" in German...literally, "The Federal Republic
> Germany." No OF. If Latin followed the German, the wording would simply be
> "Regnum Ansteorra."
> 
> Basically, the question I have is this: Should "Ansteorra" be rendered in
> the genetive case relative to "Regno", or should it be rendered in the
> dative relative to the verb "dat"?
> 
> And THANK YOU! :-)
> 
> Detlef
> 
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Mike Andrews <mikea at mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 08:02:58PM -0600, HerrDetlef wrote:
> > > Good evening, fellow Ansteorrans!
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anybody could help me with my Latin.  I'm trying to
> > say
> > > "Detlef von Marburg gives this flag to the Kingdom of Ansteorra."
> > >
> > > What I have is "Detlef von Marburg hoc vexillum ad Regnum Ansteorram
> > dat."
> > >
> > > This is something I want to put on a couple Ansteorran civil ensigns I
> > made
> > > for the Crown.
> >
> > Try "Detlef von Marburg hoc vexillum Regno Ansteorrae dat" if you want
> > to emphasize that you're doing the giving, "Regno Ansteorrae hoc
> > vexillum Detlef von Marburg dat" if you want to emphasize that it's the
> > flag that was given. The important parts are the case endings: "Regno
> > Ansteorrae" is "to the Kingdom of Ansteorra", "hoc vexillum" is "this
> > flag" in the objective case".
> >
> > Nice sentiment, and really good idea.

You're welcome. 

Latin breaks the structure down like this:

(to the Kingdom) (of Ansteorra)
  Regno           Ansteorrae

Auf Deutsch, the idiom is different. It's hard to change ~2K years of
usage. 

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