[Ansteorra] Royalty - Same Sex Consorts‏

[Adam R Thompson]

You are pointing out cases of brothers and sons where each still had a Queen by their sides and a separate royal family. This is not the same as a proposal to have the role of the Queen (or Opposite sex consort) replaced by someone of the same sex. One is not the basis for the other. 

Richard 

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On Oct 29, 2011, at 20:30, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes. Read Gregory of Tours' "History of the Franks" and Einhard's "Life of
> Charlemagne." On more than one occasion during the early period of the
> Frankish kingdom, the kingship was divided between or among men. They were
> often brothers. Charlemagne, indeed, shared the kingship with his brother
> Carloman until the latter's death, and Charlemagne's three grandsons shared
> the kingship (although the kingdom was split into three territories at that
> time) after the death of their father, Louis the Pious.
> 
> Henry II had his son Henry crowned king while the former was still alive--a
> practice that did not come without historical precedent. So, at at least one
> time in English medieval history, that nation had two kings. The Young King
> did not live to inherit the sole kingship, as he died about three years
> before his father.
> 
> The Roman imperial dignity was shared between two men for much of the last
> centuries of the Western Roman empire--one emperor sitting in Rome, the
> other sitting in Constantinople. This shared dignity, and the necessity for
> imperial proclamations to be issued by both emperors, led to the subsequent
> practice of the "royal plural," by which a single monarch would address
> himself or herself in the third person. Indeed, the conventions of English
> usage dictated that, while most people would be addressed with the
> second-person-singular pronounx "thou" and "thee," monarchs would be
> addressed with the second-person-plural pronoun "ye" and "you." Liberal
> ideals of the enlightment later suggested that "what is good enough for the
> king is good enough for the common man," and eventually all people were
> addressed with the second-person-plural "you."
> 
> I anticipate that someone might point out that these relationships were
> never sexual, to which I say, neither are the relationships that gay men who
> win the Crown in the SCA have with their female consorts. The current King
> and Queen of Ansteorra, neither of whom is gay, are not each other's
> significant other. Since the SCA does not follow the mundane requirement
> that two or more people who share a royal dignity be legally related, the
> legal relationship between monarch and consort cannot be considered at all.
> 
> Just my meagre opinion.
> 
> Yours in these Current Middle Ages,
> Detlef von Marburg
> 
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Holly Decker <hdec333 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is this supported Historically?
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 9:48 am
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Royalty - Same Sex Consorts‏
>> 
>> 
>> I think that it is time we do so. If I was a heavy fighter I certainly
>> would
>> have a male consort.
>> 
>> Lord Devin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Craig Shupee' <philipwhite at hotmail.com>
>> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:58 AM
>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Royalty - Same Sex Consorts‏
>> 
>> 
>> Howdy all - I thought I'd ask the group what everyone thinks about the
>> proposal
>> to allow for same-sex consorts in Crown Tourney.If you are unfamiliar, so
>> can
>> learn more here:http://www.scatoday.net/node/21565 Or on facebook, there
>> is a
>> lot of information:https://www.facebook.com/groups/InspriationalEquality/It is
>> certainly something that will be discussed widely, so, start gathering your
>> thoughts now and talking to each other. ~philip
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