[Ansteorra] Same-Sex Consorts

[Adam R Thompson]

I agree with Tivar. That is a very reasonable assumption and the crux of many a ladies points in this argument. 

There are very capable female fighters all over the known world but Tivar makes a very valid point. One Queen by right of Arms, and 5 Princesses by right of arms, 4 of those ladies are in the West Kingdom. Additionally there are currently only 33 women to ever be entered on to the roles of the Chivalry. So one of the things that has to be considered with this argument is who actually benefits. I mentioned in a previous post that the current system is a 50/50 split male female on our thrones. This could most likely make that woefully unbalanced. 

It's not the only argument I have against this but it is what relates to this post. 

Richard 

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On Oct 30, 2011, at 19:22, Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com> wrote:

> At 02:44 AM 10/30/2011, you wrote:
> 
>> Salut Cozyns,
>> 
>> So, when Rowan won Crown, who did the "Queen's Champion" fight to
>> protect?
> 
> The Queen, of course. The fact that she was the sovereign as well was just a cool detail.
> 
> 
>> Was it a "Consort's Champion"?
> 
> Nope. On Sunday morning of Queen's Champion we held a second tournament to choose a King's Rapier Champion. (Note that this was before the custom of holding the King's Champion tournament on the morning of Coronation had started.)
> 
> The list of Queen's Champions on the Ansteorran heraldic website says Galen Nicolli was Rowans Queen's Champion
> http://herald.ansteorra.org/OP/op-awards.php?submit=List&id=18  and that Hector-as-consort had *two* champions: Thorland O'Shea for rapier and Patrick Michael Gordonne for armored. http://herald.ansteorra.org/OP/op-awards.php?submit=List&id=12  It's possible that the list is incorrect and Pat was actually the Sovereign's Champion, not the King's Champion; I don't remember at this point.
> 
> 
>> If that happened again, would you voice these same objections?
> 
> Why? If there's a Queen, either as Sovereign or Consort, we'll have Queen's Champion. If there are two Kings, then things get strange.
> 
> 
>> Besides, your objections, as stated here, make the assumptions the
>> same-sex Crown and Consort would be two men.
>> 
>> En Lyonel
> 
> Considering that in the SCA's 46 year history, there has been *one* Queen by right of arms and (I think) five or six Princesses by right of arms, that's a fairly reasonable assumption to make.
> 
>        -Tivar Moondragon
> 
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