[Ansteorra] Title Question

[Alden Drake]

>From the Corpora VIII.D.4, and SCA College of Arms Administrative Handbook 
Appendix C:
"Baron (of placename)/ Baroness (of placename) = Ceremonial heads of a barony"
 
I find no distinction between founding baron/ess and current baron/ess.
 
From Kingdom Law, Article 3.3.1.B:"The landed nobles at the time of the creation 
of a barony are the founding baron or baroness. The founding landed nobles have 
the perpetual right to bear the baronial arms in canton on their own arms and to 
maintain the perpetual title "Baron or Baroness (fief).""
 
It would appear this is an Ansteorran convention.
 
My experience has been that:
Baron Placename refers to the founding baron of a barony in perpetuity. 
Baron of Placename refers to the current baron of said place.
I have heard "His Excellency Placename" used interchangeably. 

In service,
Alden Drake
Actuarius Pursuivant
 



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From: Rose M. Welch <rose_welch at yahoo.com>
To: Ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tue, August 7, 2012 3:05:59 PM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Title Question

Greetings,

I have a question about titles that hopefully someone can answer. :)

In regards to landed Baron/esses, it has always been my understanding that they 
could be referred to by their group, rather than their names, as in 'Their 
Excellencies BaronyName' rather than 'Their Excellencies RegisteredNames'. I've 
done this quite a bit, as I'm terrible bad with names. I was recently told that 
only the first B&B can claim that title, and that they can use it as an honorary 
titleclaim it forever, even after they have stepped down.

Are there written rules regarding this? If not, what are the 
traditions/standards? Thanks.

~Lady Rose de la Rose
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