[Ansteorra] food safety was Re: Underage Participation In The SCA

Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Tue Feb 7 14:40:55 PST 2012


greetings

>> I would say that this serves as the perfect opportunity to evaluate
what we do to ensure the safety of all participating. <<

this is something I have been wondering about?
I've seen lots of talk about how do we" protect the children" ,how do we " 
protect the sca" ,how do we " protect the kingdom / local group,etc. each 
from both a defined as well as undefined future problems.
do we as a society stop there ?? or do we also wish to protect all members / 
non members ?? and for all of the problems , how far do we go to " protect " 
people , places, things , corporations ???
do we require that we all run around in big plastic bubbles?and never say or 
do anything that " may " offend anyone ?? do we ban all alcohol ??
do we wear id bands if were old enough to drink ? and burn anyone at the 
stake we catch drinking without a band ?
do we ban all vehicles on site? make all people load their dogs and horse 
drawn wagons to set up/ tear down camps ?
do we ban feasts ? chili night ? etc? , or do we have all food at events 
catered only by certified restraunts, which carry over 1 million in food 
poisoning insurance ??
do we make everyone wear garb that covers from head to toe, as well as gives 
spf 50 protection ??

the truth remains that each and every one of the people attending any sca 
( or other group for that matter ) event is ( or at least should be ) 
responsible for their own actions / words / deeds .
( yes, even when they get themselves drunk,or allow others to get them drunk 
, and do/ say something or several something's stupid )
as well as the actions / words / deeds of their children.

but as in many things sca, the ever present disease ( mundanity )continues 
to creap into our events, actions and policies.
( it's ok to go to the casino on the food money, god will provide ) ( I'm 
not really suing the sca, it's just the insurance company that will pay ) 
( I wasn't that drunk )( it's only illegal if you get caught )
( nobody really minds the flash, and we all enjoy the pictures 
afterward )( no one will notice I'm texting in feast / court , etc. )

>>Have we taken any precautions to help ensure safety with feasts?  Do we 
>>require the
feast steward having a food handler's license at the bare minimum?  As
has been said, I don't think that the kitchens are required to pass
any inspections; so we need to be sure that the person heading up
cooking has a range of knowledge to keep people safe.<<

as far as I know the answer to these questions #1, not officially, and #2, 
no.
the kitchens at most sites are required to go through exactly the same 
inspections your home kitchen goes through ( in other words none ) ( since 
they are not normally used to prepare food for sale )
as I stated above , this is one of those  multi sided issues, and would 
require lots of thought before any changes were made.
think about it .how few people volunteer to cook feasts as it is ??
if we make the feastocrat have a certification then we would be liable if 
everyone in the kitchen even for a few min. didn't have that same 
certification .
many places use bake sales , or lunches prepared by the populace as fund 
raisers ,should we ban that everywhere ? how would the groups then replace 
the lost income ?
in some places the populace is encouraged to bring dishes to fighter 
practices ,to share with the populace , in order to better know your fellow 
participant.
should that be banned as well, and only store bought sealed in plastic food 
be allowed ??
if that is so , then why bother even attempting a period recipe , when 
processed meat byproduct would be much more welcome , as well as 
recognizable to the populace as " good food " .

truth is there is no easy answer, but I really hope people will think before 
jumping on any bandwagons, no matter how catchy the tune being played is ...

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia03 at gmail.com>
To: "Jay Rudin" <rudin at ev1.net>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." 
<ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Underage Participation In The SCA


>I would say that this serves as the perfect opportunity to evaluate
> what we do to ensure the safety of all participating.  Have we taken
> any precautions to help ensure safety with feasts?  Do we require the
> feast steward having a food handler's licence at the bare minimum?  As
> has been said, I don't think that the kitchens are required to pass
> any inspections; so we need to be sure that the person heading up
> cooking has a range of knowledge to keep people safe.
>
> Susan the Curious
>
>> But until we start getting sued over feasts, there's even less data to 
>> call
>> that a major liability issue.
>>
>> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
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