[Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability

Richard Threlkeld rjt at softwareinnovation.com
Thu Feb 9 10:00:08 PST 2012 

That is a lot of lawyers' fees compared to the result to the plaintiffs.

In Service,
Caelin on Andrede



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-
> bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Rose
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:56 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
> 
> The West Crown has reported that each plaintiff will receive less than
> $25,000. (This is plausible if their representation was retained on a
> contingency plan.) If they were really after money, it wouldn't make sense
> for them to settle for this amount. If they were really after a change, 7m
was
> a perfect wake-up call.
> 
> 
> 
> -Rose the Obnoxious
> 
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> Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum,
iudicium
> difficile. ~Hippocrates
> 
> 
> 
> >________________________________
> > From: Bill Tait <arwemakere at gmail.com>
> >To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
> >
> >Ahh, but they were after 7M. That is punitive dollars.
> >
> >
> >William
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:43 PM, L T <ldeerslayer at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it were really about money...they would have gone for punitive
> >> damages...
> >> 25,000 each sounds more like legal and counseling costs to me...
> >>
> >>
> >> L
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>  From: Paul DeLisle <ferretpd at gmail.com>
> >> To: 'Rose' <rose_welch at yahoo.com>; "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,
> Inc.'" <
> >> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
> >>
> >> I disagree, Rose. This *IS* about money.
> >> If it *weren't* about money, the settlement would be a Court-approved
> >> modification to the SCA By-Laws.
> >> I'm sorry to disillusion you, hun...but sadly...it *IS* about money
(even
> >> more sadly....mostly for the Lawyers.)
> >>
> >> Alden
> >> (Disillusioned himself, more than a decade-and-a-half ago.)
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-
> >> > bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Rose
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:36 PM
> >> > To: Ansteorra
> >> > Subject: [Ansteorra] Lawsuit, Children, Liability
> >> >
> >> > Let's be clear about this:
> >> >
> >> > This case does not revolve around an isolated incident.
> >> >
> >> > This case does not revolve around a single perpetrator.
> >> >
> >> > This case was not brought by a single plaintiff.
> >> >
> >> > This case was brought by a group of plaintiffs, with their parents,
who
> >> > discovered that the SCA has a long history of abusers in leadership
> >> roles.
> >> > We're not alone; this problem is familiar to every organization that
> >> deals
> >> with
> >> > a vulnerable populace.
> >> >
> >> > Unlike those organizations, we chose to do nothing. We didn't run
> >> > background checks, we didn't require a two-deep rule, we rarely
> revoked
> >> > memberships until a conviction was secure. We didn't even bother to
> send
> >> > out Society announcements when these revocations occurred, a
> measure
> >> > that may have served to keep us on our toes and would have cost us
> >> > NOTHING. Long after the Boy Scouts and similar organization developed
> >> best
> >> > practices to safeguard their children, we did nothing.
> >> >
> >> > Even after the Schragger case, where twelve children came forward to
> >> report
> >> > abuse, we made NO changes. We didn't update our policies until AFTER
> we
> >> > were sued by six of children that Lord Ben the Steward, AKA the
> 'Innocent
> >> > Oak', had molested. That was the point of the suit.
> >> >
> >> > Do you still think that this lawsuit is about money?
> >> >
> >> > This lawsuit was about forcing the SCA to adopt standard best
practices,
> >> > which we have done. Now that we have done so, we no longer carry
> the
> >> > same amount of liability that we did before 2007. (And our liability
> >> insurance
> >> > already went up. Some of you folks are really behind the times.)
> >> >
> >> > The Innocent Oak. That is what the local populace called him and the
> >> symbol
> >> > that they crafted onto items that they sold to raise funds for his
> >> defense.
> >> > Even after his conviction, a reported thirty Scadians showed up to
his
> >> 'Going
> >> > To Prison' party to wish him farewell. Since then, there have been
> >> twenty-
> >> > nine revocation and denial of membership decisions rendered by the
> Board
> >> > of Directors for conviction of predatory crimes. Twenty-four of these
> >> have
> >> > been with regard to abuse of minors.
> >> >
> >> > Again, let me ask. Are you still thinking about the money?
> >> >
> >> > I'm not. I'm thinking about a culture of abuse that we allowed to
fester
> >> in our
> >> > Society, that contributed to the molestation of at least a dozen
> >> children.
> >> > Eighteen percent doesn't seem like a very large payment to rid
> ourselves
> >> of
> >> > that particular ailment, and it is worth noting that it would have
been
> >> > significantly cheaper - in gold and in blood - had we simply seen to
the
> >> issue
> >> > when the first symptoms erupted.
> >> >
> >> > Blaming the children for a lawsuit that centered around the
non-actions
> >> of
> >> > adults is stupid. Working to punish children in the future for an
issue
> >> that was
> >> > corrected in the past is even more stupid.
> >> >
> >> > And that's my tuppence.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lady Rose the Obnoxious
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > Ars longa, vita brevis, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum,
> >> iudicium
> >> > difficile. ~Hippocrates
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