[Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

Mon Feb 13 22:53:27 PST 2012

Here is an outsider's point of view. I have no history as an Ansteorran
Royal Huntsman, so some of the tradition of the tournament may be lost on
me. /end discaimer

Also, several hours have passed since I started this email (at work) so it
may be a little disjointed...

I took a quick scan through the Laws and could not find a specific
reference to the Royal Huntsman tournament. I cannot find anything that
states that it is specifically a target archery tournament. This tells me
that it is subject to the will of the Crown and tradition.

I do know that in years past, there has sometimes been a "combat" component
to the tournament; combat equipment shot at targets.

Here in An Tir, we have the Kingdom Protector. This is a yearly tournament
to choose the archery champion of An Tir. The first 18 years of this
tournament a combat only format was used; likely similar to the "archers
duel" that is planned for the upcoming RH. I do know that many target-only
archers felt left out at a Kingdom Level. Our three Principalities have a
"target only" competition for choosing their Champions. Combat-only archers
felt left out there. Two years ago, TRM An Tir decided they would change
the KP format to be target archery. There were a number of combat archers
who felt very put out that the crown "threw away" 18 years of tradition
with very little consultation with the archery community (not that it was
required, but consideration from above goes a long way).

The archer who won that is primarily a combat archer. Looking through my
records, I can only find a longbow average of 65 for him). He bested the
"best" of the target archers, including 5 grandmasters and one Ludicrous
bowman.

When I was archery marshal for the Principality of Tir Righ, I had an idea
that might bring together the two camps. The Championship I ran had target
archers shoot their rounds, the combat archers did their combat tournament.
The top two of each came together into a final round; it was a moving
target shoot that was compatible for both sets of equipment. A target
archer beat a combat archer by only two points. 3rd and 4th place finishers
were also separated by less than 5 points. Very closely matched indeed.

I looked through the list of past RH's, and of the 21 (?) I know that 10 of
them do combat archery. A number of the names are unfamiliar to me still,
but I do hope to make their acquaintance one day.

Oh, and just because someone is a "target archer" or "combat archer"
doesn't mean that is all they do. I have been defined here at home as a CA
(only) yet my highest royal round average is 102, while I was serving my
second term as Kingdom Protector. Give people a chance, and they may
surprise you.

Her Royal Highness has spoken, and I think it is very clear that this is
not a permanent change. Change is not always a bad thing. :)

I only wish I were able to make it to this RH tourney to pit my skills,
both target and combat, against the best that Ansteorra has. (I also need
to work out a "dual citizenship" arrangement. I know my knight, King Ieuan
would be okay with it ;)  )

I hope to see all my friends, CA, TA, and "other" at Gulf Wars!

HL William Arwemakere
An Tir, and COSS.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Patrick R <tex_yankee2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Very well said, it looks like the place for target archers is once again
> at the back of the buss.
>  Dante
>
> --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <
> ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,
> Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:29 AM
>
>
> greetings
>
> for years , combat archers have been trying to lose the image of combat
> archery as a target range activity ( ikcac ), in order to find common
> ground on the combat field, and to push the image that combat archery was
> just another heavy weapons form.
> if combat archery is just another heavy weapons form, why does it take up
> more and more of the one event that is supposed to showcase the skills and
> attributes of the target archery community ?
>
> it seems that more and more often the crowns will have two representatives
> from the heavy weapons community and no representatives from the archery
> community.( especially with the new rule that all finalists must be COMBAT
> archery authorized , since no target only archer may win royal huntsman
> from this point forward , as long as the heavy weapons format is included. )
>
> will the combat archery representative for the crowns be the " war "
> representative for the heavy weapons community? as the kings champion is
> the " tourney " representative from the heavy weapons community ?
> if so, has target archery fallen so far in status in ansteorra that we no
> longer deserve a place behind the thrones ?
>
> I'm sorry if this offends anyone , but trying to add COMBAT archery , into
> target archery does nothing to promote either community.
> and will do nothing to change the image of neither group being " manly "
> enough to go beat on people with sticks : (
> combat archers have the opportunity to " shine " at any and every war (
> except maybe Estrella ) that has combat archery and many war practices, as
> they are in front of both their heavy weapons peers, and the crowns.
> target archers for the most part are rarely seen by the crowns except at
> the royal huntsman tourney.
> if that is now being taken away ,where / when are the target archers
> supposed to shine for the crowns ??
>
> sorry , it is my duty and my obligation to try to improve the sca , as
> well as the missile communities , and to advise the crowns when / if  I see
> something that will help or hinder either the sca , or the missile
> communities.
> and this I see as being detrimental to both communities as well as the sca.
>
> as always , just this old farts opinion.
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur   c.a.o.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Copley" <doug.copley at gmail.com>
> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" <
> ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>; "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,
> Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:33 PM
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
>
>
> > Greetings unto the Greatest Archers of the known world!
> >
> > TRHs will be holding a Tourney to find their Royal Huntsman and it will
> probably be held in May, they do not have a date or event yet.
> >
> > This tourney will have special requirements so they are being announced
> in advance so that everyone has an opportunity to be prepared.
> >
> > There will be both a target archery and a combat archery portion to the
> tourney. From these rounds the top archers will advance to the finals and
> will be asked by the Crown if they are ready and able to compete for the
> title and if they win are they ready to fulfill those duties and to serve
> the Crown. If they are not ready, or choose not to continue, they will be
> allowed to withdraw at that time and a replacement from the field will be
> called forward.
> >
> > *** Here are the special rules ***
> > The final rounds will be Combat Archery Duels. All participants in the
> final rounds must be Combat Archery authorized and have photo ID,
> authorization card, and blue membership card (if they do not have their
> blue membership card they will have to sign a waiver).
> >
> > If you are not Combat Archery authorized you must be actively working on
> becoming one and you must contact me in advance of the event to receive a
> waiver for this.
> >
> > All finalists will have to pass armor inspection prior to entering the
> field. Those archers that are planning to compete for the title and wish to
> get their armor inspection done prior to the start of the tourney will be
> able to. All Combat Archery equipment will have to be inspected prior to
> the start of the tourney.
> >
> > As this is a tourney to select the Archery Champion for the Kingdom of
> Ansteorra, no loaner gear of any type will be provided. Each contestant
> will be responsible for providing their own equipment.
> >
> > As soon as a tourney date and site are selected I will post a
> notification to the list.
> >
> > If you have any questions please contact me directly.
> >
> > YIS,
> >
> > Vincenti da Murano
> > Royal Huntsman, Kingdom of Ansteorra
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