[Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***

Ld.blackmoon ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Tue Feb 14 10:19:00 PST 2012 

greetings

>>Does it matter if the combat archery round is the first or the last? Only 
>>someone who is
competent in both target archery and combat archery will survive through the 
rounds. If combat
archery was first, then it would, as per your supposition, eliminate more 
target archery
specialists before they have a chance to show their mettle.<<

actualy yes it does, if your desire is to give both communities a chance to 
win.
with the combat only round early, a target only archer losing stands a 
chance to just take a loss and move on in a double elim tourney. ( which the 
rh usualy is )
with the combat only as the finals round ,target only  archers are barred 
from even competing in the finals . even if they can borrow gear between now 
and then, how many stand a chance against the experienced combat archers 
with less than 3 months of local practice time available ??

>>By having it come as the last round,
> it instead speaks to their stamina, their flexibility and their ability to 
> do what the archer in period was expected to do, namely kill the enemy 
> from a distance without getting killed first and possibly after a long day 
> of other activities.<<

actually to do what a period combat archer was supposed to do. a period 
huntsman would have been charged with supplying the nobles and knights with 
fresh meat .

but all of this matters not ,as their highnesses have spoken.

please attend whichever event the rh winds up at and have fun.


Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haraldr Bassi" <ansteorra at haraldr.drakkar.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Cc: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***


> Greetings Arthur,
>
> Does it matter if the combat archery round is the first or the last? Only 
> someone who is competent in both target archery and combat archery will 
> survive through the rounds. If combat archery was first, then it would, as 
> per your supposition, eliminate more target archery specialists before 
> they have a chance to show their mettle. By having it come as the last 
> round, it instead speaks to their stamina, their flexibility and their 
> ability to do what the archer in period was expected to do, namely kill 
> the enemy from a distance without getting killed first and possibly after 
> a long day of other activities. This seems to add a bit of period realism 
> to the selection of an archery champion. It certainly beats seeing 
> standardized distances and international circle targets being used (aka 
> royal rounds).
>
> Haraldr Bassi
>
> On 2/13/12 8:32 PM, Ld.blackmoon wrote:
>> greetings
>>
>> I am sorry my most gracious princess.
>> I did not mean to imply in any way that it was not your right to set up 
>> and have run the royal
>> huntsman tourney in any way that may please you .
>>
>> as an arc d'or I am pledged to inform your highnesses and their majesties 
>> of certain things.
>> this I did in the post you reference in your reply, as well as below.
>> not because I wished to cause trouble, but because I felt that you might 
>> not be aware due to
>> your very busy schedules.
>>
>> I believe that the issue among the target archery community isn't that 
>> there is a combat archery
>> round, but that it is listed as the final round, so that only combat 
>> archers may become the
>> future royal huntsman.
>>
>> having fulfilled my duties and obligations in this respect I shall now 
>> follow your wishes .
>>
>> may you both enjoy a glorious reign = )
>>
>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>> Arthur
>>
>> to the lands of our forefathers , to the lands we defend, to ansteorra !!
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeta di Valore della Rosa"
>> <princess at coronet.ansteorra.org>
>> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
>>
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I wanted to explain a few things in regards to the information posted on
>>> Our Royal Huntsman tournament.
>>>
>>> First, this is not the way the tournament is going to be run 'from this
>>> point forward'. Each and every Crown decides each time how their 
>>> champion
>>> tournament will be run. This is not a 'final' change rather just how the
>>> tournament will be run in this single instance unless another Crown in 
>>> the
>>> future chooses to use the same format.
>>>
>>> As far as adding the combat archery into the mix for our tournament; the
>>> idea was brought to us by the current Huntsman and we thought it was a
>>> great idea not only for the fact that we like the idea of doing 
>>> something
>>> different and fun for the competition but also because I will be taking 
>>> the
>>> field as a combat archer this year & we thought it would be a good thing 
>>> to
>>> have our champion actually able to join me on the field. It's not a
>>> requirement that they actually DO but it is something to think about.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry to see that there are hurt feelings over this; it truly was 
>>> not
>>> our intention to exclude anyone which is why the format was posted so 
>>> early
>>> as to allow anyone wishing to enter to properly prepare. If you have
>>> further questions or concerns please feel free to contact me privately.
>>>
>>> Elizabeta
>>> Princess
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> greetings
>>>>
>>>> for years , combat archers have been trying to lose the image of combat
>>>> archery as a target range activity ( ikcac ), in order to find common
>>>> ground on the combat field, and to push the image that combat archery 
>>>> was
>>>> just another heavy weapons form.
>>>> if combat archery is just another heavy weapons form, why does it take 
>>>> up
>>>> more and more of the one event that is supposed to showcase the skills 
>>>> and
>>>> attributes of the target archery community ?
>>>>
>>>> it seems that more and more often the crowns will have two 
>>>> representatives
>>>> from the heavy weapons community and no representatives from the 
>>>> archery
>>>> community.( especially with the new rule that all finalists must be 
>>>> COMBAT
>>>> archery authorized , since no target only archer may win royal huntsman
>>>> from this point forward , as long as the heavy weapons format is 
>>>> included. )
>>>>
>>>> will the combat archery representative for the crowns be the " war "
>>>> representative for the heavy weapons community? as the kings champion 
>>>> is
>>>> the " tourney " representative from the heavy weapons community ?
>>>> if so, has target archery fallen so far in status in ansteorra that we 
>>>> no
>>>> longer deserve a place behind the thrones ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone , but trying to add COMBAT archery , 
>>>> into
>>>> target archery does nothing to promote either community.
>>>> and will do nothing to change the image of neither group being " manly 
>>>> "
>>>> enough to go beat on people with sticks : (
>>>> combat archers have the opportunity to " shine " at any and every war (
>>>> except maybe Estrella ) that has combat archery and many war practices, 
>>>> as
>>>> they are in front of both their heavy weapons peers, and the crowns.
>>>> target archers for the most part are rarely seen by the crowns except 
>>>> at
>>>> the royal huntsman tourney.
>>>> if that is now being taken away ,where / when are the target archers
>>>> supposed to shine for the crowns ??
>>>>
>>>> sorry , it is my duty and my obligation to try to improve the sca , as
>>>> well as the missile communities , and to advise the crowns when / if I 
>>>> see
>>>> something that will help or hinder either the sca , or the missile
>>>> communities.
>>>> and this I see as being detrimental to both communities as well as the 
>>>> sca.
>>>>
>>>> as always , just this old farts opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>>>> Arthur c.a.o.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Copley" 
>>>> <doug.copley at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra" 
>>>> <ansteorra-archery at lists.**
>>>> ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>>; "Kingdom of
>>>> Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org**>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:33 PM
>>>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Royal Huntsman - Special Tourney Rules***
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings unto the Greatest Archers of the known world!
>>>>>
>>>>> TRHs will be holding a Tourney to find their Royal Huntsman and it 
>>>>> will
>>>>> probably be held in May, they do not have a date or event yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> This tourney will have special requirements so they are being 
>>>>> announced
>>>>> in advance so that everyone has an opportunity to be prepared.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be both a target archery and a combat archery portion to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> tourney. From these rounds the top archers will advance to the finals 
>>>>> and
>>>>> will be asked by the Crown if they are ready and able to compete for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> title and if they win are they ready to fulfill those duties and to 
>>>>> serve
>>>>> the Crown. If they are not ready, or choose not to continue, they will 
>>>>> be
>>>>> allowed to withdraw at that time and a replacement from the field will 
>>>>> be
>>>>> called forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> *** Here are the special rules ***
>>>>> The final rounds will be Combat Archery Duels. All participants in the
>>>>> final rounds must be Combat Archery authorized and have photo ID,
>>>>> authorization card, and blue membership card (if they do not have 
>>>>> their
>>>>> blue membership card they will have to sign a waiver).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are not Combat Archery authorized you must be actively working 
>>>>> on
>>>>> becoming one and you must contact me in advance of the event to 
>>>>> receive a
>>>>> waiver for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> All finalists will have to pass armor inspection prior to entering the
>>>>> field. Those archers that are planning to compete for the title and 
>>>>> wish to
>>>>> get their armor inspection done prior to the start of the tourney will 
>>>>> be
>>>>> able to. All Combat Archery equipment will have to be inspected prior 
>>>>> to
>>>>> the start of the tourney.
>>>>>
>>>>> As this is a tourney to select the Archery Champion for the Kingdom of
>>>>> Ansteorra, no loaner gear of any type will be provided. Each 
>>>>> contestant
>>>>> will be responsible for providing their own equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as a tourney date and site are selected I will post a
>>>>> notification to the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions please contact me directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> YIS,
>>>>>
>>>>> Vincenti da Murano
>>>>> Royal Huntsman, Kingdom of Ansteorra
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