[Ansteorra] Rethinking the hydration paradigm

Sat Feb 25 18:00:14 PST 2012

Overall, I think what Master Galen was addressing was the habit, if you
will, of our water-bearers and other fighter-support folks to push water
water water or a 50% Gatorade-water mix for hydration and nothing
with caffeine.  Caffeine is the devil, Bobby Bouche!  These are all sugars:
Fructose = sucrose = lactose = glycose (yes, lactose is a sugar for those
who didn't know this).  What makes them different, mostly, is their
chemical make-up and how each individual's body processes the sugars.

The funny thing is, sports drinks (Gatorade and Powerade) both have liquid
sugar and glucose-fructose in them.

So, too much of simple sugar and caffeine is a bad thing.  As one who
participates in heavy activities, I find myself to be the best judge of
what I need to rehydrate, unless, of course, I'm passed out on the field.

I, for one, am glad that someone has come along and posted some emperical
evidence pertaining to caffeine and how it effects the body.  A coffee
drinker for almost 30 years, I would hate to see how I reacted without
it...  LOL!

In Service and another point of view,

Liam

On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Renee Pitcock <elwenaduialloth at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm not saying caffeine is evil.  I am pointing out that singling out the
> caffeine as the only factor that could cause issues during the rehydration
> process is oversimplification.  Too much simple sugar during rehydration
> CAN be a bad thing, and sodas definitely have simple sugars in abundance.
>
> ~Morina O'Donovan
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Rethinking the hydration paradigm
>
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
> backs up the statements on caffeinated drinks.
> I've reported on such studies before, and had the same people come
> back later with the same unsourced "caffeine is eeevil".
>
> Morina O'Donovan / Renee Pitcock <elwenaduialloth at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yet this discussion fails to take into account other factors such as
> > excess simple sugars in the soft drinks.  It is often not considered
> > a good idea to flood your body with sugar after strenuous exercise.
> > Rather, more complex starches like breads, pastas, and crackers are
> > preferred.  In particular, soft drinks are high in fructose, which
> > is rapidly digested, but not necessarily turned into glycogen to
> > help replenish reserve energy stores.  It is more likely to be
> > digested and converted to excess fat than anything else, and it
> > still leaves the body with less than satisfactory reserves of
> > energy.  Plus, when the body DOES have excess glucose in the blood
> > stream, it can choose to excrete the excess in urine, which does
> > lead to increased water loss due to osmotic pressure in the kidneys.
> > The other substances like dyes and such in sodas that cannot be
> > digested will have a similar effect.  Looking at only the caffeine
> > in sodas in an overly simplistic view of things.  Bottom line, it's
> > usually wiser to drink water, replenish electrolytes, and ingest
> > complex carbs FIRST, then look at your sodas.
>
> I've heard "caffeine is eeevil" for years, and this list just got a
> debunking with attributed sources.  Now above are five more assertions
> without supporting evidence adduced.  What are good sources that
> support them?
>
> "A little Googling is a dangerous thing
> Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
>
> But I'll tread forth anyway.
>
>
> http://www.livestrong.com/article/104432-drinks-rehydrating-body-after-workout/
> seems to have a good summary, citing a couple of articles I touch on
> below, and giving several options.
>
>
> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/how-sugar-affects-the-body-in-motion/
> ,
> from last May, reports on several studies.  Note that many talk about
> endurance athletes with major exercise -- at least one study had
> people cycle to exhaustion, do something, then cycle to exhaustion
> again.
>
> It states "All sugars, including sucrose, or table sugar, and
> high-fructose corn syrup, which usually consists of almost equal
> portions of glucose and fructose, are converted into glucose, and
> stored as glycogen, in the body. Strenuous exercise diminishes or
> exhausts this liver glycogen, and until those stores are replenished,
> the body isn't fully ready for another exercise bout."
>
> It then reports that it looks like glucose+fructose together replenish
> glycogen levels, and "a large body of earlier research suggesting that
> fructose is particularly useful for avid athletes".
>
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sports-drinks/MY01209 says that
> low-fat milk and low-fat chocolate milk are fine sports drinks.
>
> http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-eating/superfoods/chocolate-milk-after-workout/
> reports more on this.
>
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/exercise/HQ00594_D/NSECTIONGROUP=2
> mentions eating after exercise, with both carbohydrates and protein,
> and it has a number of suggestions for different foods, with "If you
> aren't hungry after your workout, drink juice or a sports drink to
> provide replenishing carbohydrates."  (My God!  Fruit has that eeevil
> *fructose*!)
>
> But most of this advice is only for the serious athlete.  "'If someone
> goes for a 30-minute walk, the duration and intensity will be too
> short' for sugar to make a difference in terms of performance".  For
> me, mostly worrying about sitting around at Castleton when the
> temperature is near 100, it probably doesn't matter mcuh what I drink,
> but lots of water is probably best for me -- I'm going to be noshing
> enough on lunch and snacks and such to replenish anything I'm sweating
> out.
>
> And one of those articles ends with something to the effect of
> "Everybody is different.  Pay attention to your body, and the effects
> of exercise, food, and drink."
>
> And when I hear about how such-and-so hydrating drink is eeevil, I
> will, if you'll pardon the expression, take it with a grain of salt.
>
> Danyll Lincoln
> -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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