[Ansteorra] Rethinking the hydration paradigm

[Richard Threlkeld]

There is also research that shows that cold water is more readily absorbed
which gutted one of my previous favorite myths (that water should be cool
but not cold to prevent an upset stomach or even shock). The research I have
heard in the last couple of years also says sports drinks at full strength
are also just fine. You can overdo them, but you can overdo anything.

In Service,
Caelin on Andrede

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:ansteorra-
> bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Penny
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:38 PM
> To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Rethinking the hydration paradigm
> 
> "A coffee
> drinker for almost 30 years, I would hate to see how I reacted without
it!..
> LOL!..."
> 
> Liam, I am a mess without my coffee but I keep it sugar free! ;-)
> 
> Master Galen has done extensive research mundanely along the lines of
> hydrating the US military. A lot of that research we used in the formation
of
> the waterbearers handbook.. (when we use to have official waterbearers).
> This is where half strength gatoraid became the norm.
> 
> Also Galen discovered the military stationed in the desert drank more
water
> when offered if it was cold than air temp. So ice became the norm in
> Ansteorra.
> 
> But for those that fear having a caffeine free war... Fear not! There will
> always be a pot of hot water and coffee at chirurgeon's point! Come get a
> cup and a freeze pops whenever!
> 
> Depending on the weather... Hot tea/coffee or cold freezer pop... The
> Chirurgeons got ya covered!  :-)
> 
> Caley
> War Chirurgeon
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> 
> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661
> > backs up the statements on caffeinated drinks.
> > I've reported on such studies before, and had the same people come
> > back later with the same unsourced "caffeine is eeevil".
> >
> > Morina O'Donovan / Renee Pitcock <elwenaduialloth at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Yet this discussion fails to take into account other factors such as
> >> excess simple sugars in the soft drinks.  It is often not considered
> >> a good idea to flood your body with sugar after strenuous exercise.
> >> Rather, more complex starches like breads, pastas, and crackers are
> >> preferred.  In particular, soft drinks are high in fructose, which
> >> is rapidly digested, but not necessarily turned into glycogen to
> >> help replenish reserve energy stores.  It is more likely to be
> >> digested and converted to excess fat than anything else, and it
> >> still leaves the body with less than satisfactory reserves of
> >> energy.  Plus, when the body DOES have excess glucose in the blood
> >> stream, it can choose to excrete the excess in urine, which does
> >> lead to increased water loss due to osmotic pressure in the kidneys.
> >> The other substances like dyes and such in sodas that cannot be
> >> digested will have a similar effect.  Looking at only the caffeine
> >> in sodas in an overly simplistic view of things.  Bottom line, it's
> >> usually wiser to drink water, replenish electrolytes, and ingest
> >> complex carbs FIRST, then look at your sodas.
> >
> > I've heard "caffeine is eeevil" for years, and this list just got a
> > debunking with attributed sources.  Now above are five more assertions
> > without supporting evidence adduced.  What are good sources that
> > support them?
> >
> > "A little Googling is a dangerous thing
> > Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring."
> >
> > But I'll tread forth anyway.
> >
> > http://www.livestrong.com/article/104432-drinks-rehydrating-body-after-
> workout/
> > seems to have a good summary, citing a couple of articles I touch on
> > below, and giving several options.
> >
> > http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/how-sugar-affects-the-body-
> in-motion/,
> > from last May, reports on several studies.  Note that many talk about
> > endurance athletes with major exercise -- at least one study had
> > people cycle to exhaustion, do something, then cycle to exhaustion
> > again.
> >
> > It states "All sugars, including sucrose, or table sugar, and
> > high-fructose corn syrup, which usually consists of almost equal
> > portions of glucose and fructose, are converted into glucose, and
> > stored as glycogen, in the body. Strenuous exercise diminishes or
> > exhausts this liver glycogen, and until those stores are replenished,
> > the body isn't fully ready for another exercise bout."
> >
> > It then reports that it looks like glucose+fructose together replenish
> > glycogen levels, and "a large body of earlier research suggesting that
> > fructose is particularly useful for avid athletes".
> >
> > http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sports-drinks/MY01209 says that
> > low-fat milk and low-fat chocolate milk are fine sports drinks.
> > http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-
> eating/superfoods/chocolate-milk-after-workout/
> > reports more on this.
> >
> >
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/exercise/HQ00594_D/NSECTIONGROUP
> =2
> > mentions eating after exercise, with both carbohydrates and protein,
> > and it has a number of suggestions for different foods, with "If you
> > aren't hungry after your workout, drink juice or a sports drink to
> > provide replenishing carbohydrates."  (My God!  Fruit has that eeevil
> > *fructose*!)
> >
> > But most of this advice is only for the serious athlete.  "'If someone
> > goes for a 30-minute walk, the duration and intensity will be too
> > short' for sugar to make a difference in terms of performance".  For
> > me, mostly worrying about sitting around at Castleton when the
> > temperature is near 100, it probably doesn't matter mcuh what I drink,
> > but lots of water is probably best for me -- I'm going to be noshing
> > enough on lunch and snacks and such to replenish anything I'm sweating
> > out.
> >
> > And one of those articles ends with something to the effect of
> > "Everybody is different.  Pay attention to your body, and the effects
> > of exercise, food, and drink."
> >
> > And when I hear about how such-and-so hydrating drink is eeevil, I
> > will, if you'll pardon the expression, take it with a grain of salt.
> >
> > Danyll Lincoln
> > --
> > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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