[Ansteorra] Participation vs. Recruitment
Derek Harris
eats.bugs at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 07:12:53 PST 2012
If you change the layout, you'll need to increase space in multiples of 4 pages, yes?
Derek Harris (via iPhone)
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
> The new Black Star is limited to 16 pages. I am going to need a couple of months to work out the layout and then we can see about new features.
>
> However, you can see all of the local newsletters on their website or through email.
>
> Bia
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:42 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's one thing I really liked about being a local chronicler. I got to
>> see local newsletters for other groups, and I got to see what other local
>> groups were doing. If we can tap into that energy on the kingdom level
>> (maybe just one or two articles a month), not only would we widen the
>> audience pool for those creators, but we would also create a greater
>> cohesion among groups within Ansteorra. I fear that much of what is done on
>> the local level is lost outside of each group. Greater visibility for local
>> group activities? That's definitely a plus. Less isolation? Also a plus.
>>
>> What minuses? Increased cost in printing? That will probably be offset by
>> the transition to an online *Black Star*. What other thoughts?
>>
>> I just got home from class (driving through the thickest fog I remember
>> driving through in a long time). My brain is worn out.
>>
>> Det
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Biatrichi Di Palermo <
>> biatrichidipalermo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My local chroniclers do an excellent job recruiting content for the local
>>> newsletters. I feel lucky to see them all.
>>>
>>> Bia
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:48 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That would only be an incentive to weekend SCA'ers.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts about local chroniclers encouraging their submitters to
>>>> consider submitting to the *Black Star*?
>>>>
>>>> Detlef again (and off to teach classes)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Jessica Doss <jdennison6913 at yahoo.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> maybe include one "gift" site fee per year with paid membership. Up to
>>> a
>>>>> set amount.... Johanna of Bjornsborg
>>>>>
>>>>> HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that won't work.....raising the price of membership will not
>>> encourage
>>>>>> people to become members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <beats head on desk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we raise the price of a sustaining membership to include a
>>>>>>> subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Detlef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree, cozyn. The corporation has really hogtied us with the
>>> changes
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> what a subscribing membership gets you. We should have tanked the
>>>>>>>> corporation years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About the only remaining argument in favor of memberships is the
>>>>> "support
>>>>>>>> your local group" tack, but even I no longer accept that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tant pis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> En Lyonel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:27 PM, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not so much analysis as raw data. Draw whatever conclusions you can.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Participation is indeed based on memberships. The problem is that
>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> officers and weekend SCA'ers (who go to calendar events outside of
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> local groups) benefit from subscribing memberships. Exactly how do
>>> we
>>>>>>>>> encourage weekday SCA'ers who are not officers (who go almost
>>>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>>>>> only to events within their local groups) to subscribe? We can't
>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>> tack a non-member surcharge to weekday events, because the vast
>>>>>>>> majority of
>>>>>>>>> them do not involve a site fee.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I first subscribed as a member of the SCA, the sustaining
>>>>>>>> membership
>>>>>>>>> included a subscription to *Tournaments Illuminated*. That quarterly
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> worth the price of membership itself. Without that subscription, a
>>>>>>>>> sustaining membership is little more than a qualification to hold
>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>> and a way to dodge a non-member surcharge. The information presented
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> kingdom newsletter like *Black Star* benefits weekend SCA'ers and
>>>>>>>> officers
>>>>>>>>> far more than it does weekday SCA'ers. There is not much incentive
>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'er to become a subscribing member.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The price of a sustaining membership in the SCA--including the
>>> recent
>>>>>>>>> increases--is still far lower than the price of membership in most
>>>>>>>>> professional and academic organizations, but I doubt that many
>>>>> younger
>>>>>>>>> newcomers to the SCA can appreciate that fact. If we are able to
>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> weekday SCA'ers to become subscribing members, local groups would be
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to maintain their required membership numbers, and the generated
>>>>> revenue
>>>>>>>>> would allow increases in the price of membership to be lower than
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been in the recent past.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again--how do we do that? Do we make subscribing memberships more
>>>>>>>>> beneficial to weekday SCA'ers, or do we find some means other than
>>>>>>>>> membership numbers alone to measure participation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm only asking questions. I really don't have any answers. I wish I
>>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Detlef
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Salut cozyns,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
>>>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>>>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>>>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>>>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>>>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>>>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>>>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>>>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
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>>>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
>>>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>>>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>>>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>>>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>>>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>>>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>>>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>>>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
>>>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
>>>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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>>
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>> Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
>> þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
>> hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
>> Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
>> monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
>> egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
>> feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
>> weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
>> oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
>> ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
>> gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
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