[Ansteorra] Electric Kiln

Scott Fridenberg fitzmorgan at gmail.com
Sat Jul 14 10:28:53 PDT 2012

So should I be looking at the corpora number or the kingdom number?

Derek Harris (via iPhone)

On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Maria Buchanan <scarlettmb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Yes. Kingdom law takes precedence.
> No, Corpora takes precedence.  It's in the first section of Corpora.
> Kingdom law is #5 in
>    0. Real-world law
>    1. The By-Laws of the appropriate organization
>    2. The Corporate Policies of the appropriate organization
>    3. The Corpora of the Society
>    4. Society Officers' Policies approved by the Board
>    5. Kingdom Law (within the kingdom that enacts it.)
>    6. Decision of the Crown (within the kingdom and for the duration
>       of the current reign.)
>    7. Principality Law (within the principality that enacts it.)
>    8. Decision of the Coronet (within the principality and for the
>       duration of the current reign.)
> (Yes, I know what you meant.  You meant that kingdom law, being
> stricter in this instance, means that the kingdom's restrictions on
> paid membership to SCA-Inc-a-California-corporation have effect and
> the Corpora restrictions may as well not be there.  My kvetch is that
> "Kingdom law takes precedence" is an infelicitous way of expressing
> it.)
>> Corpora says that Kingdom law can be more stringent than Corpora,
>> but not less.
> Cite?
> Corpora says "The Crown or the Coronet may make and amend such laws of
> their realm as they deem necessary, with the restriction that
> principality laws are subject to the approval of the Crown".
> Indeed, there are vast areas in which Corpora and corporate officers
> say nothing, and kingdoms can legislate in such areas.
> Or they say nothing concerning lower level policies, ditto.
> But a kingdom can't trump any level above it.  Where Corpora says "The
> Board reserves to itself" or "in accordance with this document" or "No
> court shall" or "The privileges ... of territorial Baron and/or
> Baroness ... shall include the right to" or "No provision of law shall
> be in effect, nor shall the subjects of a realm be responsible for
> such provision, until such proclamation and publication have taken
> place" or "may not imply or state that a person must remain a member
> to retain ... awards or titles once given", the kingdom can try to
> impose all the strictness it wants, but it has no effect.
> Daniel Lindecolina
> -- 
> Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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