[Ansteorra] Same-Gender Consort Proposal

Salvador Ordoñez salvadorthespaniard at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 15:48:02 PDT 2012

I think the point is to allow people to be able to choose their consort or inspiration, rather than being forced to go outside their home to find that intense working partner. What if someone just wants to hold throne with their partner, because of how romantic an idea that would be? And the point that many people have made is that tradition is not historicity, and there are lot of examples of same-sex couples holding the throne (regardless of their historical relationship).

I have seen little on this list to indicate that people are opposed to the idea of allowing whatever pairing we want. I hope that the BoD takes such steps. However, for those who are not gay, you might have a hard time understanding why people who may have grown up living in secret DO NOT want to celebrate that fact in any way.

Salvador Ordoñez
MKA Derek Harris

On Jul 18, 2012, at 5:41 PM, Jeffrey Clark wrote:

> "Considering the other things we do that are not historically accurate it
> would seem allowing people to fight for crown would be a good thing. We may
> play a game based on pre 1600 but our minds should not be stuck there as
> well."
> Wait a moment! How do we *not *allow them to fight for crown? Do we also
> not allow those who are not in romantic relationships to fight in crown or
> become monarchs?
> How is saying: "our tradition holds that ruling monarchs need to be
> king/queen" discriminatory? Certainly it favors those who are in
> heteronormative romantic relationships, however I am sure that there are
> any number of competitors who are not: those who are gay, those who aren't
> romantically inclined to anyone at the time, those who's significant others
> don't/can't play...
> Certainly it is *nice* to be able to fight for "the one who inspires" you;
> however such a luxury is not available to everyone; and I doubt that most
> period nobles (much less, monarchs) had the luxury of representing "their
> inspiration".
> What is wrong with a little persona play to nod towards tradition,
> represent your inspiration, and cause courts to be a little more fun? Take
> a puppet king/queen that was forced on you (certainly *that* is a period
> situation) and then haul your real love up to the throne and give them some
> special honour and favour them over your official consort. I'm sure there
> are a lot of potential consorts who would be willing to play along. You can
> even theme some events on the idea:
> Many Renaissance nobles would have "Classical" paintings commissioned of
> idyllic scenes taken from Grecian or Roman mythology, and they would pay
> the painter to use their mistress as the model for Aphrodite or Athena or
> whoever; and because it was a classical scene -- there was no problem that
> this Greek goddess was essentially nude. To the casual observer, it was a
> painting of Aphrodite -- but to the one noble it was a nude of his lover.
> Why not have events where -- rather than bards and artisans honouring the
> royal couple -- they honour "distant/secret loves" or somesuch? That would
> really be fun.
> --AS Zorzi
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