[Ansteorra] Tournament Societies was Questions about crowns

Richard Culver captbigdamnhero at gmail.com
Fri Jul 20 09:25:10 PDT 2012

 and crown tournaments--dead kings
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The continental Saxon were ruled by aldermen until such time that war
broke out. Then they would elect a king from amongst those with
appropriate lines who would then retire at the end of conflict. This
system continued throughout the height of the Holy Roman Empire, with
Emperors having be separately approved by the Saxon law in addition to
other imperial electors.

So voting was well known. Anglo-Saxon witans also had moments where
their vote on a matter of succession was more important than battle
skill, beyond the 1066 fiasco, the East Anglian witan pulling, I
believe, St. Anna (a make name there) out of a monastery to be crown.


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From: Tim McDaniel
Sent: 7/20/2012 10:49
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Tournament Societies was Questions about
crowns and crown tournaments--dead kings
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012, Adalia <adalia.nyx at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Journal of Sport History, Vol 17, No. 2 (Summer of 1990) list a goodly
> number of German Tournament Societies.  It also discusses some tournament
> regulations and is very interesting reading....
> http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1990/JSH1702/jsh1702b.pdf

Thank you!  It is indeed interesting.  I want to read it in detail.

There's one reference to a society having a king, on p. 10, "k{u'}nig
in der geselschafft" ("king in the society"!).  P. 13 has "As
Gumppenberg has argued, the tournament societies were quite powerful
on their own territory. They even elected their own 'kings'."  I want
that as a club (with no more than one nail, no larger than a thumb, on
the end) to people who whine that "voting isn't period".

I'm amused by the regulations to *prevent* people from too greatly
outshining others.  In our society, if someone were to "wear any
pieces of gold or woven velvet to adorn himself", he would hardly "be
treated with contempt by the nobility, no admittance to any dance or
to the victory-ceremony"!

Dannet de Lincoln
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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