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ld.blackmoon at cox.net
Sat Jul 21 15:57:58 PDT 2012
thank you Tivar , for the information, and the memories / perceptions of
someone that lived through that " game changing " issue .
from several years , and several lists , you know I don't always agree with
your opinion, but I always have to respect that you think hard , before
voicing that opinion , and it is normally a well thought out opinion ( even
if I don't agree with it ; )
however this " game changing " issue winds up , hopefully there will be
those who remember it and use it as an example the next time a " game
changing " issue arises.
to the rest of ansteorra :
I know both sides have put a vast amount of time , energy, talent , service
, emotion and money into the sca .
I just hope that both sides can find some kind of middle ground, on this
issue ( and any future issues ), and not take differing opinions as a reason
to quit, give up , or attack others .....
it has been said repeatedly that the sca is a family .................. a
very large, spread out , dysfunctional family , with as many opinions as
there are members .
so please don't take offense when someone disagrees with you ; )
try to find out WHY they disagree with you so that you both may enjoy a
broader perspective on the issue , even if no ones opinion is changed .....
fighting helps no one, it just muddies the water so that others see no clear
path out of the conflict : (
back to researching schools, it seems I may be going to school again after
all these years , thanx to the v.a ; )
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Zakes" <dontivar at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Same Sex Consortsâ?/ change?
> At 03:33 AM 7/21/2012, you wrote:
>>greetings but weren't these same arguments used when females 1st wanted to
>>become fighters / knights / queen by right of arms ?? I remember hearing
>>that there was a lot of controversy over that as well. did that mundane
>>issue require a lawsuit being filed before it was accepted ?? were there a
>>lot of hard feelings involved ?? or did I hear incorrectly , and the
>>society and the chiv thought it was a great idea , late in arriving , and
>>demand that it be allowed immediately ??
> Allowing women fighters started shortly before I joined in AS 10. I've
> read stories of the first time women were allowed to fight at Pennsic;
> IIRC, male fighters who thought it was unchivalrous to strike a woman
> wore yellow sashes so the ladies would know not to try to fight them. I
> also remember Mistress Janet of House Morningstar, who was a fighter, and
> a major advocate for other women fighters in the part of Atenveldt that
> eventually became Ansteora.
> There was definitely a lot of pushback from some people who--as I
> said--thought it was unchivalrous to hit a woman, or who followed the
> popular belief that there weren't any women who fought in history. Other
> people were more open-minded on the subject. I don't *think* a lawsuit was
> required, just a lot of persuasion, plus research demonstrating that women
> *did* sometimes fight in our time period. (Gee, kind of like the curent
> question. <G>)
> -Tivar Moondragon
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