[Ansteorra] Ansteorra Digest, Vol 73, Issue 13

Mon May 14 05:41:18 PDT 2012

On May 13, 2012, at 2:00 PM, "ansteorra-request at lists.ansteorra.org" <ansteorra-request at lists.ansteorra.org> wrote:

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>   1.  Heraldic Question (Alianorra MacAiodh)
>   2. Re:  Heraldic Question (Andreas von Mei?en)
>   3.  Rapier Carrier Construction (Jasper)
>   4.  Assistance needed for grad paper (Eleanor Cleavely)
>   5. Re:  Assistance needed for grad paper (Robert G. Ferrell)
>   6. Re:  Assistance needed for grad paper (Robert G. Ferrell)
>   7. Re:  Assistance needed for grad paper (Sir Lyonel)
>   8.  FW: Unofficial fighter practice/demo (Daria Riley)
>   9.  Steppes Warlord: Steppes Archery (Katharine Kavanaugh)
>  10.  Loch Soillier's Titled Artisan's Competition (ledonna mcgowan)
>  11.  Photos from Dragonsfire Tor Guardian (Richard Threlkeld)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alianorra MacAiodh <alianorramacaiodh at yahoo.com>
> To: ansteorra at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Heraldic Question
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> While at Gulfwar this year we submitted our names and devices. I was also able to submit for my badge however my Lord Thorkell's had a conflict. It was suggested if he split the field on the charge horizontally it may work. The question he had was whether or not this was possible vertically.
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> I would greatly appreciate any response to this question off list.
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> Thank you in advance!
>
> Alianorra
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:49:42 -0500
> From: Andreas von Mei?en <scamiz at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Heraldic Question
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> -- Nautilus
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> While at Gulfwar this year we submitted our names and devices. I was also
>> able to submit for my badge however my Lord Thorkell's had a conflict. It
>> was suggested if he split the field on the charge horizontally it may work.
>> The question he had was whether or not this was possible vertically.
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate any response to this question off list.
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>>
>> Alianorra
>>
>
>
> --
> Andrew R. Mizener/ Herr Andreas von Mei?en
> Cadet to Warder Brighid MacCumhal
> Barony of Elfsea - Nautilus Pursuivant
> << Qui qu?rit, invenit >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jasper <captain_jasperc at yahoo.com>
> To: "Inc. Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Rapier Carrier Construction
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> ?Calling all SCA rapier fighters,? I am doing a project and need
> reference pics of Rapier belts and carriers. Personal pieces or online references if
> you have them. In particular, I need examples of how the carrier is
> assembled, I have the belt findings and a rough pattern but need ideas
> on leather weight and thickness as well as construction of the actual
> carrier that attaches to the belt. Any help or suggestions would be
> greatly appreciated!!
>
> In Service,
> Jasper C.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:37:02 -0500
> From: Eleanor Cleavely <lady.cleavely at gmail.com>
> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org, elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Assistance needed for grad paper
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> Good evening, all!
>
> I am looking for information on hospitality/lack of hospitality in the
> Middle Ages (ca. "Sir Gawain & The Green Knight) from the perspective of
> the host. That is, what punishments or recourse would there have been if
> the guest violated the rules of hospitality? I've tried to Florilegium, but
> I'm needing a bit more information than what's on there.
>
> Any help you all can give would be most appreciated. I am hoping to have
> this paper turned in by Monday at noon.
>
> Thank you in advance!
> Eleanor Cleavely
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:06:12 -0500
> From: "Robert G. Ferrell" <rgferrell at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Assistance needed for grad paper
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> On 5/12/2012 8:37 PM, Eleanor Cleavely wrote:
>> Good evening, all!
>>
>> I am looking for information on hospitality/lack of hospitality in the
>> Middle Ages (ca. "Sir Gawain&  The Green Knight) from the perspective of
>> the host. That is, what punishments or recourse would there have been if
>> the guest violated the rules of hospitality? I've tried to Florilegium, but
>> I'm needing a bit more information than what's on there.
>>
>> Any help you all can give would be most appreciated. I am hoping to have
>> this paper turned in by Monday at noon.
>
> Well, if you're willing to head West to Iceland, there is a wealth of
> example of what happens to people who violate the rules of hospitality
> in the Sagas. Njal's and Egil's spring to mind immediately. Lots of
> rudeness and consequences in there. The Gr?g?s, the Laws of Early
> Iceland in use until the takeover of Iceland by the Norwegian Crown,
> have sections laying out in great detail the penalties to be paid for a
> large number of infractions by both the host and his guests.
>
> Of course the Sagas represent only the approach of Norse culture to
> rudeness, but in the short amount of time you have left, I'd dive into
> at least Egil's Saga. The Sagas are probably your best bet for a
> specific chronicle of societal interactions that includes the rules of
> hospitality and the results of breaking them.
>
> Good luck with your paper,
>
> Cynric
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:15:04 -0500
> From: "Robert G. Ferrell" <rgferrell at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Assistance needed for grad paper
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> Oh, and I forgot to add that the other reference I would investigate is
> the absorbing if somewhat intimidating fictional chronicle "Tirant lo
> Blanc." It is regarded as one of the first true novels in the modern
> sense. It reads more like "Baron Munchhausen" in many places, but it
> contains a wealth of information on customs and social interplay. It was
> published in Valencia in 1490, so it represents a very different
> approach to your issues. Really, everyone in the SCA should read it
> once, but don't expect to get through it in an afternoon.
>
> Cynric
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 00:14:45 -0500
> From: Sir Lyonel <sirlyonel at hotmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Assistance needed for grad paper
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> I would also suggest Havelok The Dane, the many versions of Tristan and Iseult (noting the many ways that they handle Tristan's betrayal of his uncle King Mark's trust), compare Chretien des Troyes' tale Cliges (sort of an anti-Tristan), and both the extant halves of Chretien's Perceval. The first half of Perceval gives the example of Perceval hosted by the Fisher King and possibly failing as a guest. The second half shows Gawain insisting upon proper treatment from another host.
>
> Also, of course, Dante's Inferno sends bad hosts to the lowest third of hell.
>
> Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 12, 2012, at 9:15 PM, "Robert G. Ferrell" <rgferrell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and I forgot to add that the other reference I would investigate is the absorbing if somewhat intimidating fictional chronicle "Tirant lo Blanc." It is regarded as one of the first true novels in the modern sense. It reads more like "Baron Munchhausen" in many places, but it contains a wealth of information on customs and social interplay. It was published in Valencia in 1490, so it represents a very different approach to your issues. Really, everyone in the SCA should read it once, but don't expect to get through it in an afternoon.
>>
>> Cynric
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 07:29:04 -0500
> From: "Daria Riley" <daria at asgardevents.com>
> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'"
>        <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] FW: Unofficial fighter practice/demo
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> On behalf of Lord Coenred Aet Rauenesdale
>
> YiS,
> Daria Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Greetings to the list,
>
> Want to swing a stick at or poke your friends after King's College? Join us
> Sunday, June 24th, at 1:00pm  at Chili's just inside the TJ Mills Gate of Ft
> Hood for some fun!
>
> Our goal is to have fun and get the Soldiers who live on post to come out
> and PLAY! This will be unofficial but will be a great opportunity to let the
> Soldiers on Ft Hood know we are out here.  So, if you have any loaner heavy
> or rapier gear - please bring it! If you are a Marshal - WE NEED YOU! If you
> just like talking to new people, we need you!
>
> We are hoping to make this a once a month event, help us kick it off in true
> Ansteorran Style!
>
> If you wish to drive your car on post you will need to stop at the visitors
> center at the TJ Mills gate for a pass (with your license, registration, &
> proof of insurance) everyone in the car (adults) must have a state issued
> photo id.
>
> Don't have the ability to do this? NO PROBLEM! There is ample parking at the
> visitors center and we will come pick you up! All you need is a photo id.
>
> Looking forward to having some fun and getting our faces out there on post.
> If you have questions, just ask.
>
> In Service to the Dream,
>
> Lord Coenred aet Rauenesdale
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/450936484933407/
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 08:44:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Katharine Kavanaugh <katharinekavanaugh at yahoo.com>
> To: ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Steppes Warlord: Steppes Archery
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> Greetings to the Kingdom of Ansteorra and all her fair subjects,
> ?
> The wonderful Barony of the Steppes will be hosting Steppes Warlord on May 26th - 28th and we are going to be having many fine tournaments, contests, and activities for everyone to participate and enjoy! In addition to all of these, the Barony of Steppes will be hosting a competition to select the new Steppes Archer.
> The format will be as follows:
> ?
> Sat-
> 8:30 Novice/Royal Round ?
> ?RR <45- means possible attendance in the Steppes Archer competition>
> This will be a Royal Round Topsey Turvy Competition, because we like to be different.
> Loaner gear will be made available.
> ?
> 11:30 Steppes Archer-
> Must have own gear. Single or double elimination.
> ?
> ?The Conclusion of Steppes archer will end around 1ish.
> ?
> William Tell < open to all>
> ?
> ?Letter of Intent to their Excellencies w/ persona play on day of event.
> ?
> Sun-
> 8:30 Children?s < 12 and under, parent required, loaner gear available)
> 11:30 Royal Huntsman<Vincent I da Murano,
> CAO Kingdom of Ansteorra, Royal Huntsman
> ?
> ?
> We ask that all to attend this joyous event in honoring our new King and Queen of Ansteorra.
> We do also ask you to bring your Letter of Intent to their Excellencies w/ persona play on day of the event for the both the Steppes Archer and Royal Huntsman. It shall be a day or remembrance by all.
> ?
> Lady Katharine.
> Steppes Archery Marshal
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 10:53:13 -0500
> From: ledonna mcgowan <ledmcgowan at gmail.com>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
>        <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>,        Loch Soilleir Announcements
>        <loch-soilleir at lists.ansteorra.org>,    coastal list
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> Subject: [Ansteorra] Loch Soillier's Titled Artisan's Competition
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> Greetings,
>
> It has been my pleasure to serve Their Serpentine Excellencies as their
> titled artisan and wish to announce the format for the competition coming
> up at Lochtoberfest Nov. 3rd so that there will be time to create your most
> amazing display.
>
> Their Excellencies have requested that They be able to see your finest
> display of a single entry that shows the honor of Loch Soillier or are
> German to match the theme of the event.  Documentation is highly suggested
> but not required.  If you have any questions please allow me to assist you.
>
> In service,
> HL Delphina de Champeaux
> Titled Artisan for Loch Soillier and Rosenfield
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 13:19:47 -0500
> From: Richard Threlkeld <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> To: "ansteorra at ansteorra.org" <ansteorra at ansteorra.org>,
>        "elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org" <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Subject: [Ansteorra] Photos from Dragonsfire Tor Guardian
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> Here are my pictures from Guardian of the Tor. There are relatively fewer of them as I was running out of battery due to a lack of planning and a bad battery. Standard disclaimers apply: you may use these for any non-profit, SCA use if you provide attribution to Richard Threlkeld, Caelin on Andrede, or Betsy Marshall (Pyro). I will gladly supply a Photographer's Release to those who need them. You are on your own for Model Releases.
>
> The photos are at http://www.flickr.com/photos/rthrelkeld/sets/ .
>
> In service,
> Caelin on Andrede
>
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