[Ansteorra] My take on past and future of A&S

Mon Nov 26 10:58:44 PST 2012

Mistress Ameline here,
Please note this is Kingdom A&S we are speaking of. That is the Queens champion, or Crown tourney in the A&S venue. Your first year in armor it is hard to do well in that high level tourney. There are many Baronial champions and household contests to display A&S things, many do not require docs... 

Willow said...
I do not care what it takes to "win" at Gulf War. I was told at the last Kingdom A&S that we are not allowed to talk to artisans one to one because that would give the artisan too much help and he would not be allowed to talk to the judge at Gulf War. I was explaining to the artisan how I judged and how the judging form shaped what I was looking at. Do the problems with people feeling upset about judges I have sworn an oath to always talk to people I judge.  

I'm sure many spoke to you at Kingdom A&S, but if you are speaking about what I said to you while you were judging Simone's dance... That is not what I said, please do not take it out of context......I said during the judging we do not speak to the artisans, the documentation is to be the way the artist speaks to us at judging.....After judging you can talk to your heart's content do a full barn yard ho/down...show them what you want, help them how you can. If they are open to your suggestions they will implement them. I commend your oath to always speak to the people. After I judge an artist, I do so too, but as we have set the Kingdom A&S now the documentation is the speaker for the artist.

 There are plenty here that dislike competition, I'm sure they would join you in a new format for Kingdom A&S. Iron it out put it before the Crown. 

in service,
 Ameline DuBois OL

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Subject: [Ansteorra] My take on past and future of A&S

A&S in Ansteorra back in the Ancient times<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Duchess Willow de Wisp.2012 The A& S was a lot different 15- years ago. All of us were together to improve A&S in the Kingdom and to make learning enjoyable. We understood that the SCA was entertainment. We also understood that we needed to provide a system: 
*        That provided the teaching that allow the populace a way to get the skills they needed to make the things needed for the SCA,  
*        Encourage research for the love of research  
*        Set up activities that increased the populaces understanding of the cultures of the time period we are studying 
*         to provide recognition at all levels. 

The leadership in the kingdom viewed the Kingdom as a whole and events as the end product. The most important thing A&S was to do was to make the SCA better, more fun, more period and in general have Magic.  Competitions were used to promote this goal and were not an end all in themselves.

Since the War we have spent a lot of our effort in beating the Trimirians. Everything we do is to promote a competition that has five champions and our friendly enemies are not happy with. I would think that we should be thinking about ways to make learning fun.

 I have talked to many people who did not join the SCA and I discovered that they got the impression that you have to everything "right" with emphasis on expensive materials. This made the SCA to expensive and to nik picking to be fun. If they wanted or could spend a lot of money they could do the Ren faires and if they want to be nik picking they could do the Civil War or Victorian groups where there are better learning venues.

Many adults who are and have just finished college really do not want to take classes and tired to death with writing. In the past 10 years we have done little that seems not to stress those two things. I have seen groups having competitions that call for non-period items and that is a start,but I think we need to think about having our "Period" competitions with less stress over documentation.  I would like to see competitions that allow for the 3by5 documentation and a lot of "one to one" feedback with the artisan and judge. We need A&S that spans the levels of our artisans and craftsmen. We need to encourage without competition.

I do not care what it takes to "win" at Gulf War. I was told at the last Kingdom A&S that we are not allowed to talk to artisans one to one because that would give the artisan too much help and he would not be allowed to talk to the judge at Gulf War. I was explaining to the artisan how I judged and how the judging form shaped what I was looking at. Do the problems with people feeling upset about judges I have sworn an oath to always talk to people I judge.  
Tthat aside that way of looking at things is a great change from 15 years ago when we chose our Champions and everyone then jumped in and helped them learn how to write documentation. 

In the past we believed that process of A&S in the SCA followed this pattern
1.      first thing was that the person learned about a period art or Science
2.      then they would take that learning and make something 
3.      then they would improve on how they used the techniques and made  that something well a
4.      Then the person would write down the research so we could add that research into the common knowledge.
5.      After they had gathered the knowledge and could show the skill the person would go and teach it to someone else.
It was by that process people would interact and learning would take place and people would be happier and the SCA would grow. Because the stress was on sharing knowledge not competition new people were looked on as an opportunity to teach not a threat.

I gathering ways we promoted learning in the past without classes, competition or written documentation. If you have a fun way to learn please post it to  me. 
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