[Ansteorra] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Regarding Fund Raising

Doug Copley doug.copley at gmail.com
Sun Oct 21 20:54:46 PDT 2012

 From reading the information I would not agree with that assessment. 
Fund raising for Stump removal, repairs to the Ansteorran gate - both 
benefit anyone who attends Gulf War and camps on Ansteorran lands. It 
does not benefit only a chosen or select few.

This is vastly different than someone raising money that is going to a 
specific person for their personal use and benefit.

I do see where it might be a good idea to get clarification and have a 
concise statement of the rules and expectations.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Ansteorra] Regarding Fund Raising
Date: 	Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:06:18 -0500
From: 	Kaitlyn Mckenna <mistresskaitlyn at gmail.com>
Reply-To: 	Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
To: 	Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>

Thank you Daniel. Don't forget that all notices regarding the
fundraising for removal of stumps at the Gulf Wars site as well as
repairs to the Ansteorran gate are also items where using the SCA
lists would benefit private land/individuals and should be on this
list per the stated 'rule.'

I'd like to see the documentation/rulings where by the inurement rule
is being referenced for moderation issues on SCA run lists. One would
think that if that is the policy being used, the Kingdom Exchequer
would be in the list of people to contact with questions.


On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Tim McDaniel<tmcd at panix.com>  wrote:
> It would certainly be safer for people to post that <name> is having
> difficulties (or financial difficulties) and that <name>'s friends can
> contact them via <method>, in a way that people can verify.  I've
> never heard of the fundraising site mentioned and I don't know how to
> tell that any of any funds raised will go to the people.
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2012, Webminister, Ansteorra
><kingdom at webminister.ansteorra.org>  wrote:
>> I have seen, in the last few days, several requests come across the
>> list regarding fund raising for individuals.  Although the SCA is a
>> family, it is also a not-for-profit corporation.  The litmus test
>> for any fund raising operation or request across our official list
>> has to be the single question of who benefits from such a request.
>> If you ask yourself that question, and the answer is a name or
>> names, rather than the Kingdom at large, then the activity must not
>> be promoted here on the Ansteorran list.
> Please cite the mundane legal rules.
> It's common to reply "inurement", but that's a legal term referring to
> insiders controlling an organizations to make its assets or benefits
> flow to them.  There's a brief explanation
> and much more detail athttp://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicc90.pdf
> , "1990 EO CPE Text: C. Overview of Inurement/Private Benefit Issues
> in IRC 501(c)(3)".  As the titles indicate, "private benefit" is
> closer to being applicable, but so far as I see, the document
> indicates that it has to be "substantial", but there's a lot of
> details.
> This notion also seems unreasonable.  A group is not allowed to
> mention that it's asking for donations to Marine Corps Toys for Tots
> (a bit of word fame hardly benefits the kingdom)?  I can't mention at
> the end of dance that it's ___'s birthday and I invite people to come
> treat them to dinner?  Someone can't say at populace that they're
> moving next Thursday and would like some help?  Or even ask for a ride
> to an event or crash space there (how does the kingdom benefit from
> most individual attendees)?
> But if the problem is that ansteorra.org is a corporate asset -- I'm
> now curious: is it paid for by the corporation or by SCA Inc-Kingdom
> of Ansteorra? -- then we should protect the corporation.  Someone
> should set up a mailing list elsewhere, on their own dime, and
> everyone should go over to it instead.  Then it's as unofficial as
> people chatting at a pub after fighter practice, and they can say
> whatever they want without any danger at all.
> Daniel de Lincoln,
>     by the fickle finger of a crown Companion of the Order of the Pelican
> --
> Tim McDaniel,tmcd at panix.com
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