[Ansteorra] Ansteorra Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1
Stacy Cullum
hotclady at gmail.com
Fri Feb 1 15:27:44 PST 2013
I was reading through this and see some great things that are being done and
ideas of things that can be done. I wanted to add my little part.
I will say that I have had both good and bad experience in my time in the
SCA, but the Good out weighs the bad by far. I know that as for me it has
been amazing that I have felt needed and wanted by my home group. My B&B
are always wonderfully welcoming to new people, they do everything in the
power to make new people (and yes we more seasoned players) welcome. I have
yet to see a new person in the last 2 years (almost 3) not been asked if
they wanted to set under the Baronial Pavilion. You can't imagine how as a
new person that makes you feel. Can you imagine it being your first event
(I know you can think back that far guys) and someone in these beautiful
cloths and shinny Coronet asking you to set with them under the shade? I
can tell you from being in that position and watching it its AMAZING. I
read someone on this say maybe they should stop and take the time smell the
roses, I think sometimes we get so wrapped up in where our "PATHS" are going
we forget there are people coming in and watching us and wanting to be like
us. I know we all get busy and some have played forever in this game, but
you never know what that first Impression might be for someone it can make
them love this or it can make them not want to return.
I know for Landed and Crown life can be very very busy and there is many
things that must be done.. I have been blessed however to have people in
those positions take that extra time and say hello to me, or someone new and
it makes all the difference.
So next time you are at an event setting under your shade, take that extra
minute to say hello to someone you don't know, they may be new or they may
not be but either way it will make a difference to them.
Lady, Lady Alicia Blackdragon
Barony of Namron
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ideas... long (Doug Copley)
2. Re: Retention, was Ideas and others (Manners, Tabitha)
3. Re: ideas... long (Joanne Murphy)
4. Re: ideas... long (Barone Orlando Di Gilead)
5. Re: Retention, was Ideas and others (Ld.blackmoon)
6. Re: ideas... long (Cynthia Teague)
7. Re: Retention, was Ideas and others (Lisa A. May)
8. Re: ideas... long (James Crouchet)
9. Princess Tea at Candlemas (Crystal Lewis)
10. OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the
throne of England (Hillary Greenslade)
11. Re: Retention, was Ideas and others (Ld.blackmoon)
12. Trends in Ansteorran Activity (Hillary Greenslade)
13. Re: Trends in Ansteorran Activity (King Jean Paul)
14. Re: OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the
throne of England (Tim McDaniel)
15. Vigdis post (willowdewisp at juno.com)
16. Re: OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the
throne of England (Peter Holland)
17. Fwd: Event Calendar (Kingdom Calendar Requests)
18. Re: ideas was Presentation at Round Table (Kristi Johnson)
19. Re: ideas... long (Ren Fridenberg)
20. Re: Trends in Ansteorran Activity (Scott Fridenberg)
21. Re: ideas was Presentation at Round Table (David Brown)
22. Ansteorra Marshallate Authorization Expirations
(donotreply at ansteorra.org)
23. ideas... long (STEPHEN STEGER)
24. Re: Sponsorship for Gulf Wars (Queen Gilyan)
25. Re: ideas... long (Ledonna Mcgowan)
26. Re: ideas... long (Ren Fridenberg)
27. Re: ideas... long (Susan O'Neal)
28. Re: ideas... long (Alviscin)
29. Re: Why I Joined was ideas was Presentation at Round Table
(Hillary Greenslade)
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:21:54 -0600
From: Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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And the answer to everyone's question is: Yes we love Vigdis and her entire
family, they have been a great addition to our group, Ansteorra, and the
SCA . . . and . . . NO, you can't have them:-)
Vincenti
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cynthia Teague <cmt1708 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm finding this conversation very interesting, and wanted to add my two
> cents. My family and I started playing almost two years ago, and have
> really been enjoying ourselves. I think our early experiences were key to
> this. We were drawn in by the Medieval Fair in Norman, although it took
> several years for us to attend our first event. At that event, we had the
> chance to participate in archery and thrown weapons, using loaner gear.
> It
> was really great to get to *do* something, instead of just watching. We
> liked it a lot and wanted to do it again, and were encouraged to come to
> our barony's archery practice.
>
> Our barony has been very welcoming, as have people from other regions.
> But
> I think the key for us was that we immediately began attending archery
> practice almost every week. We quickly got to know a small group of
> people
> through these practices, and then when we went to larger meetings or
> events, we saw familiar, friendly faces. We also had a place to go and a
> purpose at events; the archery community has been very supportive and
> welcoming, even though we were not very good and have two young children
> (9
> and 11 now) who want to participate.
>
> I also began attending a weekly unofficial A&S night, where I got to know
> quite a few people. I have been spinning for 20 years, so was able to
> offer something to the group as well as learn from them, and that helped
> me
> feel comfortable.
>
> Away from the archery range, events were a little bewildering for us.
> People were nice to us, but we felt sort of rootless. I think it might be
> easier for a single person to find a place within the group, but because
> we
> were a family, we kept to ourselves a little, while also looking for a way
> to fit in. It was easier for me, because of the A&S connections I had
> made, and because I had attended more populace meetings. It's tricky
> trying to fit a new activity into an established family schedule, but we
> wanted to make it work.
>
> Now that we have been playing this long, it's different. When we go to an
> event, we know what to expect, we know where we can help out, and we see a
> lot of friends. But if we hadn't had weekly archery practices, I'm not
> sure whether we would have continued. It's nice to have people be
> friendly
> at an event, but you need a way to fit in, to be a part of the group, and
> I
> think it's what happens outside of the events that makes that possible.
> My
> kids just spent a Saturday afternoon making coifs, and I know that made
> them feel much more a part of the barony -- they've commented several
> times
> on how much they liked being part of the assembly line.
>
> My husband and I are also beginning to pursue combat archery -- again
> because of loaner gear. We were given the chance at a Royal Huntsman
> tourney to try a sort of target combat archery, and loved it. We began to
> talk about trying combat archery, but you need a bow, and armor -- what if
> we didn't like it? Then earlier this month we went to a northern regional
> fighter practice, where we were provided with loaner gear and lots of
> help. We had a fantastic time, and are now gathering gear, making
> crossbows, and getting ready to fight. But it was the chance to try it
> out
> *without* committing ourselves to the activity that really got us hooked.
>
> I guess my takeaway from this would be: get new people trying different
> activities as soon as possible, so that they can find an anchor point in
> the group. Events are dessert, but the day-to-day activities of the
> barony
> are the main course. Lots of our activities require specialized equipment
> -- having loaner gear at events is very helpful. So is having a time that
> is *not* a tournament when people can try something out. We've only been
> to a couple of events where there has been the opportunity to try heavy
> fighting, and I'm not sure I've seen any where newcomers were encouraged
> to
> try rapier (though I am usually at the archery range so maybe I am wrong
> and these opportunities are more common). When I've brought an extra loom
> or spindle, I've usually ended up teaching someone. Maybe if there were
> more "hey, you want to try?" moments at events, followed up by information
> on local practice/meeting times, more newcomers would find their niche and
> stay.
>
> (And as an aside -- I *loved* the live tweeting of the recent Crown
> Tourney. We could not attend that day, but we pulled out knight and
> royalty figurines and made a chart of the results and talked about the
> fighters we knew and wondered about the ones we didn't. I hope the
> tweeting didn't distract people at the event, but it made the event so
> much
> more real for us here at home -- and made me more eager to attend a Crown
> Tourney when we can.)
>
> In service --
>
> Vigdis of Namron
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not to sound flippant... but money has a lot to do with putting on an
> > event, as well as man power. To limit a feast to X number of people is
> the
> > smartest way to go about not . Wasting food and money is not practical.
> > I am in the game form the people and the history, but if you take the
> time
> > to research that beautiful gown...then wear tennis shoes...then I just
> lost
> > the magic.
> >
> > David Brown
> >
> > There is no better therapy than a dogs love.
> >
> > Michelle Dodd <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Greetings, While trying to keep things looking as 'period' as I can
> > afford to Is something I strive for, it is not my main reason for being
> > here. I'm here for a love of history and a love of learning new things &
> > most of the people are pretty cool too, once you get to know them.
> > >I think also that the welcoming needs to begin on event websites &
> emails
> > & any announcements. Make your event warm & welcoming like a hug.
> > >I was at an event, not too long ago, that was at a smaller venue. The
> > announcement read as if, if you weren't staying for feast, which had to
> be
> > prepaid & there were only a limited space for, then you may as well
> leave.
> > Feeling that attitude just from the website, I almost didn't go at all.
> > I
> > did go. Feast was excellent, but the site was Very crowded.
> > >This is SO the Wrong impression we want to give to people. If the venue
> > isn't big enough then find a bigger one. Make sure that there is room
> > for
> > all who Might come. If the 'regular' people don't feel welcome, they
> > certainly aren't going to want to bring new people to your event.
> > >
> > >Gabriele
> > >
> > >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:54:16 -0800
> > >> From: lemonslee at prodigy.net
> > >> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> I think at times we all are guilty of it. But at times like feasts,
> > etc., it would be nice if maybe we all just slow down some and make sure
> > people have a group to sit with, etc., especially if it is a new person.
> I
> > went to a smallish event once as a newbie where I didn't know a single
> > person and left after a few minutes because I was just stared at and
> nobody
> > was welcoming at all. They probably had no idea that they terrified me,
> > but I admit I've never attended that group's events, or the barony that
> it
> > is close to.
> > >> And I know of others who have similar experiences. I don't want
> people
> > to be Pollyanna's, but a little warmer welcoming would be nice.
> > >> Curstaidh
> > >>
> > >> --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> >
> > >> Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 8:08 PM
> > >>
> > >> greetings
> > >>
> > >> I think I will have to agree with you on this point .
> > >> even I am guilty of this, at a recent event I actually got to meet a
> > marshal I have only spoken to online for years , but in my constant rush
> to
> > be " helping " I didn't take but a few distracted moments to speak with
> him
> > in person , even though he's a great guy , and will probably be my
> > successor in office, I was " too busy " to stop and give him my full
> > attention at the time . : ( ( which I didn't realize until after the
> event
> > ) so not only was I very rude ( unintentional ) but I also now owe this
> > person a rather large apology , and maybe even a bottle of good mead by
> > a
> > camp fire : (
> > >> at the time I was more focused on making sure I was doing everything
> > >> I
> > could to help with a successful event, and failed to consider how my
> > actions and distractions might appear to someone else : (
> > >> I'm thinking maybe I should slow down a little and go back to
> > >> smelling
> > the roses sometimes instead of " always working " : /
> > >>
> > >> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> > >> Arthur
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Lemons" <
> lemonslee at prodigy.net>
> > >> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:24 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Greetings!
> > >> Having read many of the posts, one thought came to mind. I agree that
> > trying to cover up the mundane and being more "period" are great ideas,
> but
> > I think it's the attitude of what the SCA was that I miss. I don't see
> > as
> > much of the welcoming attitude, the openness and kindness, as I used to
> in
> > '93. It's that attitude I miss.
> > >> And it could just be me thinking there's a problem in that area. And
> it
> > could be that people are so tired and overworked that the attitude can't
> be
> > maintained.
> > >> I dunno, just my 2 cents.
> > >> Curstaidh
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:31:55 +0000
From: "Manners, Tabitha" <tabitha.manners at okstate.edu>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
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Thank you, Elsa. That is something I have done periodically....let's see,
it started with "If I don't show up my friends will be disappointed" then
migrated to "But I always go" to "But if I'm not there I will miss something
cool and they never tell me everything when I ask...I don't suppose they
can"....for several months it was because my daughter wouldn't let me not
go. Now it is my escape and my responsibility both. I love being with
friends and talking and getting away from my to do lists or at least making
it vastly different from every day. This is why I continue to play whether
I feel like I'm doing everything right or being a complete failure. The SCA
is my balance.
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[mailto:ansteorra-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Elsa
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:36 AM
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.
Subject: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
We've discussed ways that things are bad, we've talked about hard decisions
we've had to make to stay here, and we've highlighted ways that we can make
things better. I haven't seen much of a discussion on why all of us are
still here.
I know I'm not alone in the world for having lots of life committments, both
inside and outside our Dream. One of the ways I juggle my priorities is to
periodically sit back on my heels and reevaluate _why_ I'm doing what I'm
doing, here and elsewhere. At one particularly overcommitted time, I told
myself optimistically that I could leave this "hobby" any time I wanted to -
but of course the next thought was "except."
-Except that I had a commission due to a friend, and the materials and
patterns were in hand, so I didn't want to let them down (and have to stare
guiltily at the materials for years after).
-Except that I had an obligation for an event two weeks from then, both to
be there to meet someone for a purpose and to share a ride (read: fuel
money, road-safe entertainment) with someone who wouldn't be able to go
without my however-small contribution and their reciprocal obligation to me.
-Except that I'd have to explain my decision to all of my friends - because
even the ones who aren't here know where my time goes.
-Except that I owe so much to people in this time-sink (affectionately
meant) - both internally (I've learned many of my favorite art forms here)
and externally (my best job leads have come from friends I've found here),
and to drop out feels disrespectful to their time and investment.
I'd like to see more of a discussion about why we're all still doing this
despite knowing all the warts. By remembering our reasons, however habitual,
we can focus on making those kinds of things more accessible to the people
who haven't yet started thinking about what we do in terms of an addiction.
:-) ~HL Elsa of Mooneschadowe
--
So if knowing is half the battle, what's the other half? Halberds.
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:58:30 -0600
From: Joanne Murphy <joannemurphy111 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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Rats!
Joanna the Spinner
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Doug Copley <doug.copley at gmail.com> wrote:
> And the answer to everyone's question is: Yes we love Vigdis and her
> entire
> family, they have been a great addition to our group, Ansteorra, and the
> SCA . . . and . . . NO, you can't have them:-)
>
> Vincenti
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cynthia Teague <cmt1708 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm finding this conversation very interesting, and wanted to add my two
> > cents. My family and I started playing almost two years ago, and have
> > really been enjoying ourselves. I think our early experiences were key
> to
> > this. We were drawn in by the Medieval Fair in Norman, although it took
> > several years for us to attend our first event. At that event, we had
> the
> > chance to participate in archery and thrown weapons, using loaner gear.
> It
> > was really great to get to *do* something, instead of just watching. We
> > liked it a lot and wanted to do it again, and were encouraged to come to
> > our barony's archery practice.
> >
> > Our barony has been very welcoming, as have people from other regions.
> But
> > I think the key for us was that we immediately began attending archery
> > practice almost every week. We quickly got to know a small group of
> people
> > through these practices, and then when we went to larger meetings or
> > events, we saw familiar, friendly faces. We also had a place to go and
> > a
> > purpose at events; the archery community has been very supportive and
> > welcoming, even though we were not very good and have two young children
> (9
> > and 11 now) who want to participate.
> >
> > I also began attending a weekly unofficial A&S night, where I got to
> > know
> > quite a few people. I have been spinning for 20 years, so was able to
> > offer something to the group as well as learn from them, and that helped
> me
> > feel comfortable.
> >
> > Away from the archery range, events were a little bewildering for us.
> > People were nice to us, but we felt sort of rootless. I think it might
> be
> > easier for a single person to find a place within the group, but because
> we
> > were a family, we kept to ourselves a little, while also looking for a
> way
> > to fit in. It was easier for me, because of the A&S connections I had
> > made, and because I had attended more populace meetings. It's tricky
> > trying to fit a new activity into an established family schedule, but we
> > wanted to make it work.
> >
> > Now that we have been playing this long, it's different. When we go to
> an
> > event, we know what to expect, we know where we can help out, and we see
> a
> > lot of friends. But if we hadn't had weekly archery practices, I'm not
> > sure whether we would have continued. It's nice to have people be
> friendly
> > at an event, but you need a way to fit in, to be a part of the group,
> and I
> > think it's what happens outside of the events that makes that possible.
> My
> > kids just spent a Saturday afternoon making coifs, and I know that made
> > them feel much more a part of the barony -- they've commented several
> times
> > on how much they liked being part of the assembly line.
> >
> > My husband and I are also beginning to pursue combat archery -- again
> > because of loaner gear. We were given the chance at a Royal Huntsman
> > tourney to try a sort of target combat archery, and loved it. We began
> to
> > talk about trying combat archery, but you need a bow, and armor -- what
> if
> > we didn't like it? Then earlier this month we went to a northern
> regional
> > fighter practice, where we were provided with loaner gear and lots of
> > help. We had a fantastic time, and are now gathering gear, making
> > crossbows, and getting ready to fight. But it was the chance to try it
> out
> > *without* committing ourselves to the activity that really got us
> > hooked.
> >
> > I guess my takeaway from this would be: get new people trying different
> > activities as soon as possible, so that they can find an anchor point in
> > the group. Events are dessert, but the day-to-day activities of the
> barony
> > are the main course. Lots of our activities require specialized
> equipment
> > -- having loaner gear at events is very helpful. So is having a time
> that
> > is *not* a tournament when people can try something out. We've only
> > been
> > to a couple of events where there has been the opportunity to try heavy
> > fighting, and I'm not sure I've seen any where newcomers were encouraged
> to
> > try rapier (though I am usually at the archery range so maybe I am wrong
> > and these opportunities are more common). When I've brought an extra
> loom
> > or spindle, I've usually ended up teaching someone. Maybe if there were
> > more "hey, you want to try?" moments at events, followed up by
> information
> > on local practice/meeting times, more newcomers would find their niche
> and
> > stay.
> >
> > (And as an aside -- I *loved* the live tweeting of the recent Crown
> > Tourney. We could not attend that day, but we pulled out knight and
> > royalty figurines and made a chart of the results and talked about the
> > fighters we knew and wondered about the ones we didn't. I hope the
> > tweeting didn't distract people at the event, but it made the event so
> much
> > more real for us here at home -- and made me more eager to attend a
> > Crown
> > Tourney when we can.)
> >
> > In service --
> >
> > Vigdis of Namron
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Not to sound flippant... but money has a lot to do with putting on an
> > > event, as well as man power. To limit a feast to X number of people is
> > the
> > > smartest way to go about not . Wasting food and money is not
> > > practical.
> > > I am in the game form the people and the history, but if you take the
> > time
> > > to research that beautiful gown...then wear tennis shoes...then I just
> > lost
> > > the magic.
> > >
> > > David Brown
> > >
> > > There is no better therapy than a dogs love.
> > >
> > > Michelle Dodd <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Greetings, While trying to keep things looking as 'period' as I can
> > > afford to Is something I strive for, it is not my main reason for
> > > being
> > > here. I'm here for a love of history and a love of learning new things
> &
> > > most of the people are pretty cool too, once you get to know them.
> > > >I think also that the welcoming needs to begin on event websites &
> > emails
> > > & any announcements. Make your event warm & welcoming like a hug.
> > > >I was at an event, not too long ago, that was at a smaller venue. The
> > > announcement read as if, if you weren't staying for feast, which had
> > > to
> > be
> > > prepaid & there were only a limited space for, then you may as well
> > leave.
> > > Feeling that attitude just from the website, I almost didn't go at
> all. I
> > > did go. Feast was excellent, but the site was Very crowded.
> > > >This is SO the Wrong impression we want to give to people. If the
> venue
> > > isn't big enough then find a bigger one. Make sure that there is room
> for
> > > all who Might come. If the 'regular' people don't feel welcome, they
> > > certainly aren't going to want to bring new people to your event.
> > > >
> > > >Gabriele
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:54:16 -0800
> > > >> From: lemonslee at prodigy.net
> > > >> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings,
> > > >> I think at times we all are guilty of it. But at times like
> > > >> feasts,
> > > etc., it would be nice if maybe we all just slow down some and make
> sure
> > > people have a group to sit with, etc., especially if it is a new
> person.
> > I
> > > went to a smallish event once as a newbie where I didn't know a single
> > > person and left after a few minutes because I was just stared at and
> > nobody
> > > was welcoming at all. They probably had no idea that they terrified
> me,
> > > but I admit I've never attended that group's events, or the barony
> > > that
> > it
> > > is close to.
> > > >> And I know of others who have similar experiences. I don't want
> > people
> > > to be Pollyanna's, but a little warmer welcoming would be nice.
> > > >> Curstaidh
> > > >>
> > > >> --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <
> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > >
> > > >> Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 8:08 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> greetings
> > > >>
> > > >> I think I will have to agree with you on this point .
> > > >> even I am guilty of this, at a recent event I actually got to meet
> > > >> a
> > > marshal I have only spoken to online for years , but in my constant
> rush
> > to
> > > be " helping " I didn't take but a few distracted moments to speak
> > > with
> > him
> > > in person , even though he's a great guy , and will probably be my
> > > successor in office, I was " too busy " to stop and give him my full
> > > attention at the time . : ( ( which I didn't realize until after the
> > event
> > > ) so not only was I very rude ( unintentional ) but I also now owe
> this
> > > person a rather large apology , and maybe even a bottle of good mead
> by a
> > > camp fire : (
> > > >> at the time I was more focused on making sure I was doing
> everything I
> > > could to help with a successful event, and failed to consider how my
> > > actions and distractions might appear to someone else : (
> > > >> I'm thinking maybe I should slow down a little and go back to
> smelling
> > > the roses sometimes instead of " always working " : /
> > > >>
> > > >> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> > > >> Arthur
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Lemons" <
> > lemonslee at prodigy.net>
> > > >> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <
> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:24 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings!
> > > >> Having read many of the posts, one thought came to mind. I agree
> that
> > > trying to cover up the mundane and being more "period" are great
> > > ideas,
> > but
> > > I think it's the attitude of what the SCA was that I miss. I don't see
> as
> > > much of the welcoming attitude, the openness and kindness, as I used
> > > to
> > in
> > > '93. It's that attitude I miss.
> > > >> And it could just be me thinking there's a problem in that area.
> > > >> And
> > it
> > > could be that people are so tired and overworked that the attitude
> can't
> > be
> > > maintained.
> > > >> I dunno, just my 2 cents.
> > > >> Curstaidh
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:59:05 -0600
From: Barone Orlando Di Gilead <orlando at agilejedi.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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I'd love to see everyone jump in with as much enthusiasm as you do Vigdis!
You're family had been a great addition to our Barony.
We're lucky having so many activities to introduce new comers to. We
usually bus our newcomers around to all the different practices and A&S
activities throughout the week. This gives them a chance to experience a
little bit of each facet of the SCA and meet the different groups. Our
ability to offer SOOOO many activities on a regular basis has definitely
helped with recruitment.
Orlando
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cynthia Teague <cmt1708 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm finding this conversation very interesting, and wanted to add my two
> cents. My family and I started playing almost two years ago, and have
> really been enjoying ourselves. I think our early experiences were key to
> this. We were drawn in by the Medieval Fair in Norman, although it took
> several years for us to attend our first event. At that event, we had the
> chance to participate in archery and thrown weapons, using loaner gear.
> It
> was really great to get to *do* something, instead of just watching. We
> liked it a lot and wanted to do it again, and were encouraged to come to
> our barony's archery practice.
>
> Our barony has been very welcoming, as have people from other regions.
> But
> I think the key for us was that we immediately began attending archery
> practice almost every week. We quickly got to know a small group of
> people
> through these practices, and then when we went to larger meetings or
> events, we saw familiar, friendly faces. We also had a place to go and a
> purpose at events; the archery community has been very supportive and
> welcoming, even though we were not very good and have two young children
> (9
> and 11 now) who want to participate.
>
> I also began attending a weekly unofficial A&S night, where I got to know
> quite a few people. I have been spinning for 20 years, so was able to
> offer something to the group as well as learn from them, and that helped
> me
> feel comfortable.
>
> Away from the archery range, events were a little bewildering for us.
> People were nice to us, but we felt sort of rootless. I think it might be
> easier for a single person to find a place within the group, but because
> we
> were a family, we kept to ourselves a little, while also looking for a way
> to fit in. It was easier for me, because of the A&S connections I had
> made, and because I had attended more populace meetings. It's tricky
> trying to fit a new activity into an established family schedule, but we
> wanted to make it work.
>
> Now that we have been playing this long, it's different. When we go to an
> event, we know what to expect, we know where we can help out, and we see a
> lot of friends. But if we hadn't had weekly archery practices, I'm not
> sure whether we would have continued. It's nice to have people be
> friendly
> at an event, but you need a way to fit in, to be a part of the group, and
> I
> think it's what happens outside of the events that makes that possible.
> My
> kids just spent a Saturday afternoon making coifs, and I know that made
> them feel much more a part of the barony -- they've commented several
> times
> on how much they liked being part of the assembly line.
>
> My husband and I are also beginning to pursue combat archery -- again
> because of loaner gear. We were given the chance at a Royal Huntsman
> tourney to try a sort of target combat archery, and loved it. We began to
> talk about trying combat archery, but you need a bow, and armor -- what if
> we didn't like it? Then earlier this month we went to a northern regional
> fighter practice, where we were provided with loaner gear and lots of
> help. We had a fantastic time, and are now gathering gear, making
> crossbows, and getting ready to fight. But it was the chance to try it
> out
> *without* committing ourselves to the activity that really got us hooked.
>
> I guess my takeaway from this would be: get new people trying different
> activities as soon as possible, so that they can find an anchor point in
> the group. Events are dessert, but the day-to-day activities of the
> barony
> are the main course. Lots of our activities require specialized equipment
> -- having loaner gear at events is very helpful. So is having a time that
> is *not* a tournament when people can try something out. We've only been
> to a couple of events where there has been the opportunity to try heavy
> fighting, and I'm not sure I've seen any where newcomers were encouraged
> to
> try rapier (though I am usually at the archery range so maybe I am wrong
> and these opportunities are more common). When I've brought an extra loom
> or spindle, I've usually ended up teaching someone. Maybe if there were
> more "hey, you want to try?" moments at events, followed up by information
> on local practice/meeting times, more newcomers would find their niche and
> stay.
>
> (And as an aside -- I *loved* the live tweeting of the recent Crown
> Tourney. We could not attend that day, but we pulled out knight and
> royalty figurines and made a chart of the results and talked about the
> fighters we knew and wondered about the ones we didn't. I hope the
> tweeting didn't distract people at the event, but it made the event so
> much
> more real for us here at home -- and made me more eager to attend a Crown
> Tourney when we can.)
>
> In service --
>
> Vigdis of Namron
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not to sound flippant... but money has a lot to do with putting on an
> > event, as well as man power. To limit a feast to X number of people is
> the
> > smartest way to go about not . Wasting food and money is not practical.
> > I am in the game form the people and the history, but if you take the
> time
> > to research that beautiful gown...then wear tennis shoes...then I just
> lost
> > the magic.
> >
> > David Brown
> >
> > There is no better therapy than a dogs love.
> >
> > Michelle Dodd <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Greetings, While trying to keep things looking as 'period' as I can
> > afford to Is something I strive for, it is not my main reason for being
> > here. I'm here for a love of history and a love of learning new things &
> > most of the people are pretty cool too, once you get to know them.
> > >I think also that the welcoming needs to begin on event websites &
> emails
> > & any announcements. Make your event warm & welcoming like a hug.
> > >I was at an event, not too long ago, that was at a smaller venue. The
> > announcement read as if, if you weren't staying for feast, which had to
> be
> > prepaid & there were only a limited space for, then you may as well
> leave.
> > Feeling that attitude just from the website, I almost didn't go at all.
> > I
> > did go. Feast was excellent, but the site was Very crowded.
> > >This is SO the Wrong impression we want to give to people. If the venue
> > isn't big enough then find a bigger one. Make sure that there is room
> > for
> > all who Might come. If the 'regular' people don't feel welcome, they
> > certainly aren't going to want to bring new people to your event.
> > >
> > >Gabriele
> > >
> > >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:54:16 -0800
> > >> From: lemonslee at prodigy.net
> > >> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> I think at times we all are guilty of it. But at times like feasts,
> > etc., it would be nice if maybe we all just slow down some and make sure
> > people have a group to sit with, etc., especially if it is a new person.
> I
> > went to a smallish event once as a newbie where I didn't know a single
> > person and left after a few minutes because I was just stared at and
> nobody
> > was welcoming at all. They probably had no idea that they terrified me,
> > but I admit I've never attended that group's events, or the barony that
> it
> > is close to.
> > >> And I know of others who have similar experiences. I don't want
> people
> > to be Pollyanna's, but a little warmer welcoming would be nice.
> > >> Curstaidh
> > >>
> > >> --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> >
> > >> Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 8:08 PM
> > >>
> > >> greetings
> > >>
> > >> I think I will have to agree with you on this point .
> > >> even I am guilty of this, at a recent event I actually got to meet a
> > marshal I have only spoken to online for years , but in my constant rush
> to
> > be " helping " I didn't take but a few distracted moments to speak with
> him
> > in person , even though he's a great guy , and will probably be my
> > successor in office, I was " too busy " to stop and give him my full
> > attention at the time . : ( ( which I didn't realize until after the
> event
> > ) so not only was I very rude ( unintentional ) but I also now owe this
> > person a rather large apology , and maybe even a bottle of good mead by
> > a
> > camp fire : (
> > >> at the time I was more focused on making sure I was doing everything
> > >> I
> > could to help with a successful event, and failed to consider how my
> > actions and distractions might appear to someone else : (
> > >> I'm thinking maybe I should slow down a little and go back to
> > >> smelling
> > the roses sometimes instead of " always working " : /
> > >>
> > >> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> > >> Arthur
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Lemons" <
> lemonslee at prodigy.net>
> > >> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:24 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Greetings!
> > >> Having read many of the posts, one thought came to mind. I agree that
> > trying to cover up the mundane and being more "period" are great ideas,
> but
> > I think it's the attitude of what the SCA was that I miss. I don't see
> > as
> > much of the welcoming attitude, the openness and kindness, as I used to
> in
> > '93. It's that attitude I miss.
> > >> And it could just be me thinking there's a problem in that area. And
> it
> > could be that people are so tired and overworked that the attitude can't
> be
> > maintained.
> > >> I dunno, just my 2 cents.
> > >> Curstaidh
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Ansteorra mailing list
> > >> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > >> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
> > >> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
> > >>
> > >>
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> > 01/10/13
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:01:34 -0600
From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
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greetings
for me , I think it's because I know that as long as I'm working as an
officer, a teacher, a marshal , etc. that people are depending on me.
and that first as an aoa, and now as a grant level I have " duties and
responsibilities thereto appertaining " .
I have duties and responsibilities to the kingdom, the barony , the missile
community , the blade hurlers, the archers, and anyone that may someday want
to try participation in any of those things.
( yes I know that I didn't list the society in that list, but, I'm not a
peer , I'll never be a peer , and I have never felt that the society cared
one nit weather I participated or not as long as they got my membership
money : ( . )
and I really try not to let people down if I can help it...
but even more importantly , in the sca I learned that there can be pride in
services well done, even if nobody is watching . and I learned from a
distant baron and baroness that serving honorably ( even when told it's ok
to go have fun ) can make a person feel like they are important enough to be
trusted by peers of the realm , even though at the time I was a simple aoa ,
they gave me ( their archery champion ) official duties to perform every
time we were at the same events, some times it was as small as " please take
this to " x " , some times it was standing behind them in courts, theirs and
others, sometimes it was as important as escorting the baroness around the
event site to assure her safety, and assist in any way she may need ( pull
the wagon / herald / guard / messenger / etc. ) the point being that I
wasn't just a cardboard cut out that they stood up behind the chairs at
their court twice a year, they made me feel as if I was NEEDED & USEFUL , I
can not come close to explaining well enough, for others to understand how
that made me feel . especially after spending most of my life dealing with
massive depression, and feelings of worthlessness, although I had always
tried to be of service at events , this baron and baroness made such an
impression on me that to this day , I still search for others that can make
me feel as good , as important, as honorable , as they did for 2 years (
Katrina caused an event cancellation, so I was allowed to remain in their
service for an extra year )
. and if I am physically and financially able I will always be at their
service for the asking , even though they are no longer " landed " .
but the point is that I work offices, I work events, I work demo's when I
can , etc. , not because I believe that someday at some far off event some
future crown may possibly someday say
" I think blackmoon may make a good peer some day if we give him another
decade or so " . but because I " know " that somewhere , some time, if I can
just find the right job , and do it well enough , there's a chance I can
feel as needed, as wanted, as important as I did around these two wonderful
people ...
if everyone could make people feel like they made me feel , no one would
ever want to leave an event .....
anyway, I think I started drifting there, but , I guess boiled down, I'm
trying to say , that at one event I found magic , that magic lasted for 2
years , and then it was someone else's turn to experience that magic, to
this day I'm still playing because I want to experience the magic again ...
to feel as if I truly am THE HONORABLE LORD ARTHUR BLACKMOON , instead of
tired old Robert Sloan play acting like someone might actually miss him if
he just walked away ....
yea, I know, I'm still off saving damsels in distress , and tilting at
windmills : /
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elsa" <elsavonschammach at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
> We've discussed ways that things are bad, we've talked about hard
> decisions
> we've had to make to stay here, and we've highlighted ways that we can
> make
> things better. I haven't seen much of a discussion on why all of us are
> still here.
> I know I'm not alone in the world for having lots of life committments,
> both inside and outside our Dream. One of the ways I juggle my priorities
> is to periodically sit back on my heels and reevaluate _why_ I'm doing
> what
> I'm doing, here and elsewhere. At one particularly overcommitted time, I
> told myself optimistically that I could leave this "hobby" any time I
> wanted to - but of course the next thought was "except."
> -Except that I had a commission due to a friend, and the materials and
> patterns were in hand, so I didn't want to let them down (and have to
> stare
> guiltily at the materials for years after).
> -Except that I had an obligation for an event two weeks from then, both to
> be there to meet someone for a purpose and to share a ride (read: fuel
> money, road-safe entertainment) with someone who wouldn't be able to go
> without my however-small contribution and their reciprocal obligation to
> me.
> -Except that I'd have to explain my decision to all of my friends -
> because
> even the ones who aren't here know where my time goes.
> -Except that I owe so much to people in this time-sink (affectionately
> meant) - both internally (I've learned many of my favorite art forms here)
> and externally (my best job leads have come from friends I've found here),
> and to drop out feels disrespectful to their time and investment.
> I'd like to see more of a discussion about why we're all still doing this
> despite knowing all the warts. By remembering our reasons, however
> habitual, we can focus on making those kinds of things more accessible to
> the people who haven't yet started thinking about what we do in terms of
> an
> addiction. :-)
> ~HL Elsa of Mooneschadowe
>
> --
> So if knowing is half the battle, what's the other half? Halberds.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:05:15 -0600
From: Cynthia Teague <cmt1708 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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Thank you all. But I want to stress that if there hadn't been loaner
equipment and a chance for novices to get involved at that first
Wiesenfeuer event, we might not have come back (horrors).
Vigdis
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Barone Orlando Di Gilead <
orlando at agilejedi.com> wrote:
> I'd love to see everyone jump in with as much enthusiasm as you do Vigdis!
> You're family had been a great addition to our Barony.
>
> We're lucky having so many activities to introduce new comers to. We
> usually bus our newcomers around to all the different practices and A&S
> activities throughout the week. This gives them a chance to experience a
> little bit of each facet of the SCA and meet the different groups. Our
> ability to offer SOOOO many activities on a regular basis has definitely
> helped with recruitment.
>
> Orlando
>
>
> Checkout my blog @ http://blog.agilejedi.com
> Checkout my homepage @ http://www.agilejedi.com
> Follow me on Twitter @ http://twitter.com/theagilejedi
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cynthia Teague <cmt1708 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm finding this conversation very interesting, and wanted to add my two
> > cents. My family and I started playing almost two years ago, and have
> > really been enjoying ourselves. I think our early experiences were key
> to
> > this. We were drawn in by the Medieval Fair in Norman, although it took
> > several years for us to attend our first event. At that event, we had
> the
> > chance to participate in archery and thrown weapons, using loaner gear.
> It
> > was really great to get to *do* something, instead of just watching. We
> > liked it a lot and wanted to do it again, and were encouraged to come to
> > our barony's archery practice.
> >
> > Our barony has been very welcoming, as have people from other regions.
> But
> > I think the key for us was that we immediately began attending archery
> > practice almost every week. We quickly got to know a small group of
> people
> > through these practices, and then when we went to larger meetings or
> > events, we saw familiar, friendly faces. We also had a place to go and
> > a
> > purpose at events; the archery community has been very supportive and
> > welcoming, even though we were not very good and have two young children
> (9
> > and 11 now) who want to participate.
> >
> > I also began attending a weekly unofficial A&S night, where I got to
> > know
> > quite a few people. I have been spinning for 20 years, so was able to
> > offer something to the group as well as learn from them, and that helped
> me
> > feel comfortable.
> >
> > Away from the archery range, events were a little bewildering for us.
> > People were nice to us, but we felt sort of rootless. I think it might
> be
> > easier for a single person to find a place within the group, but because
> we
> > were a family, we kept to ourselves a little, while also looking for a
> way
> > to fit in. It was easier for me, because of the A&S connections I had
> > made, and because I had attended more populace meetings. It's tricky
> > trying to fit a new activity into an established family schedule, but we
> > wanted to make it work.
> >
> > Now that we have been playing this long, it's different. When we go to
> an
> > event, we know what to expect, we know where we can help out, and we see
> a
> > lot of friends. But if we hadn't had weekly archery practices, I'm not
> > sure whether we would have continued. It's nice to have people be
> friendly
> > at an event, but you need a way to fit in, to be a part of the group,
> and I
> > think it's what happens outside of the events that makes that possible.
> My
> > kids just spent a Saturday afternoon making coifs, and I know that made
> > them feel much more a part of the barony -- they've commented several
> times
> > on how much they liked being part of the assembly line.
> >
> > My husband and I are also beginning to pursue combat archery -- again
> > because of loaner gear. We were given the chance at a Royal Huntsman
> > tourney to try a sort of target combat archery, and loved it. We began
> to
> > talk about trying combat archery, but you need a bow, and armor -- what
> if
> > we didn't like it? Then earlier this month we went to a northern
> regional
> > fighter practice, where we were provided with loaner gear and lots of
> > help. We had a fantastic time, and are now gathering gear, making
> > crossbows, and getting ready to fight. But it was the chance to try it
> out
> > *without* committing ourselves to the activity that really got us
> > hooked.
> >
> > I guess my takeaway from this would be: get new people trying different
> > activities as soon as possible, so that they can find an anchor point in
> > the group. Events are dessert, but the day-to-day activities of the
> barony
> > are the main course. Lots of our activities require specialized
> equipment
> > -- having loaner gear at events is very helpful. So is having a time
> that
> > is *not* a tournament when people can try something out. We've only
> > been
> > to a couple of events where there has been the opportunity to try heavy
> > fighting, and I'm not sure I've seen any where newcomers were encouraged
> to
> > try rapier (though I am usually at the archery range so maybe I am wrong
> > and these opportunities are more common). When I've brought an extra
> loom
> > or spindle, I've usually ended up teaching someone. Maybe if there were
> > more "hey, you want to try?" moments at events, followed up by
> information
> > on local practice/meeting times, more newcomers would find their niche
> and
> > stay.
> >
> > (And as an aside -- I *loved* the live tweeting of the recent Crown
> > Tourney. We could not attend that day, but we pulled out knight and
> > royalty figurines and made a chart of the results and talked about the
> > fighters we knew and wondered about the ones we didn't. I hope the
> > tweeting didn't distract people at the event, but it made the event so
> much
> > more real for us here at home -- and made me more eager to attend a
> > Crown
> > Tourney when we can.)
> >
> > In service --
> >
> > Vigdis of Namron
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Not to sound flippant... but money has a lot to do with putting on an
> > > event, as well as man power. To limit a feast to X number of people is
> > the
> > > smartest way to go about not . Wasting food and money is not
> > > practical.
> > > I am in the game form the people and the history, but if you take the
> > time
> > > to research that beautiful gown...then wear tennis shoes...then I just
> > lost
> > > the magic.
> > >
> > > David Brown
> > >
> > > There is no better therapy than a dogs love.
> > >
> > > Michelle Dodd <lygabrielerdb at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Greetings, While trying to keep things looking as 'period' as I can
> > > afford to Is something I strive for, it is not my main reason for
> > > being
> > > here. I'm here for a love of history and a love of learning new things
> &
> > > most of the people are pretty cool too, once you get to know them.
> > > >I think also that the welcoming needs to begin on event websites &
> > emails
> > > & any announcements. Make your event warm & welcoming like a hug.
> > > >I was at an event, not too long ago, that was at a smaller venue. The
> > > announcement read as if, if you weren't staying for feast, which had
> > > to
> > be
> > > prepaid & there were only a limited space for, then you may as well
> > leave.
> > > Feeling that attitude just from the website, I almost didn't go at
> all. I
> > > did go. Feast was excellent, but the site was Very crowded.
> > > >This is SO the Wrong impression we want to give to people. If the
> venue
> > > isn't big enough then find a bigger one. Make sure that there is room
> for
> > > all who Might come. If the 'regular' people don't feel welcome, they
> > > certainly aren't going to want to bring new people to your event.
> > > >
> > > >Gabriele
> > > >
> > > >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:54:16 -0800
> > > >> From: lemonslee at prodigy.net
> > > >> To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings,
> > > >> I think at times we all are guilty of it. But at times like
> > > >> feasts,
> > > etc., it would be nice if maybe we all just slow down some and make
> sure
> > > people have a group to sit with, etc., especially if it is a new
> person.
> > I
> > > went to a smallish event once as a newbie where I didn't know a single
> > > person and left after a few minutes because I was just stared at and
> > nobody
> > > was welcoming at all. They probably had no idea that they terrified
> me,
> > > but I admit I've never attended that group's events, or the barony
> > > that
> > it
> > > is close to.
> > > >> And I know of others who have similar experiences. I don't want
> > people
> > > to be Pollyanna's, but a little warmer welcoming would be nice.
> > > >> Curstaidh
> > > >>
> > > >> --- On Wed, 1/30/13, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> From: Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <
> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> > >
> > > >> Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 8:08 PM
> > > >>
> > > >> greetings
> > > >>
> > > >> I think I will have to agree with you on this point .
> > > >> even I am guilty of this, at a recent event I actually got to meet
> > > >> a
> > > marshal I have only spoken to online for years , but in my constant
> rush
> > to
> > > be " helping " I didn't take but a few distracted moments to speak
> > > with
> > him
> > > in person , even though he's a great guy , and will probably be my
> > > successor in office, I was " too busy " to stop and give him my full
> > > attention at the time . : ( ( which I didn't realize until after the
> > event
> > > ) so not only was I very rude ( unintentional ) but I also now owe
> this
> > > person a rather large apology , and maybe even a bottle of good mead
> by a
> > > camp fire : (
> > > >> at the time I was more focused on making sure I was doing
> everything I
> > > could to help with a successful event, and failed to consider how my
> > > actions and distractions might appear to someone else : (
> > > >> I'm thinking maybe I should slow down a little and go back to
> smelling
> > > the roses sometimes instead of " always working " : /
> > > >>
> > > >> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> > > >> Arthur
> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Lemons" <
> > lemonslee at prodigy.net>
> > > >> To: " Inc.Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA" <
> ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 7:24 PM
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings!
> > > >> Having read many of the posts, one thought came to mind. I agree
> that
> > > trying to cover up the mundane and being more "period" are great
> > > ideas,
> > but
> > > I think it's the attitude of what the SCA was that I miss. I don't see
> as
> > > much of the welcoming attitude, the openness and kindness, as I used
> > > to
> > in
> > > '93. It's that attitude I miss.
> > > >> And it could just be me thinking there's a problem in that area.
> > > >> And
> > it
> > > could be that people are so tired and overworked that the attitude
> can't
> > be
> > > maintained.
> > > >> I dunno, just my 2 cents.
> > > >> Curstaidh
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:12:23 -0600
From: "Lisa A. May" <maaggie1 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
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Arthur,
Aside from a thread that I find fascinating of itself, I found your words to
be extremely moving, and I can only aspire to have such a profound, positive
effect on someone's perception of this life that we live in the Society. And
then hope that they do the same for others, who will continue to "pay it
forward" for future generations (who, getting back to the thread, we very
much need to recruit and retain!).
Maggie
Countess Margaret ny Connor
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
"And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily then eat and drink as
friends." Wm. Shakespeare
On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
> but even more importantly , in the sca I learned that there can be pride
> in services well done, even if nobody is watching . and I learned from a
> distant baron and baroness that serving honorably ( even when told it's ok
> to go have fun ) can make a person feel like they are important enough to
> be trusted by peers of the realm . . .
> . . . they made me feel as if I was NEEDED & USEFUL ,
> . . . I " know " that somewhere , some time, if I can just find the right
> job , and do it well enough , there's a chance I can feel as needed, as
> wanted, as important as I did around these two wonderful people ...
> if everyone could make people feel like they made me feel , no one would
> ever want to leave an event .....
>
> anyway, I think I started drifting there, but , I guess boiled down, I'm
> trying to say , that at one event I found magic , that magic lasted for 2
> years , and then it was someone else's turn to experience that magic, to
> this day I'm still playing because I want to experience the magic again
> ... to feel as if I truly am THE HONORABLE LORD ARTHUR BLACKMOON , instead
> of tired old Robert Sloan play acting like someone might actually miss him
> if he just walked away ....
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:19:08 -0600
From: James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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> Our Society needs to work on hiding the modern conveniences, if not
> leaving some of them at home.
Always. It was true when I joined, it's true now. Periodic pushes for
more authenticity are like small rudder corrections on a boat; they keep
us sailing in the right direction.
> Why not stop posting immediate information, photos and live
> videos/video feed of events until after events?
I don't think we will be putting that genie back in the bottle. But maybe
we can better hide the devices.
Christian Dor?
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:10:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Crystal Lewis <ladygwensca at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom Ansteorra - SCA Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Princess Tea at Candlemas
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A call to all rapier fighters sans White Scarf!
This weekend at Candlemas there will be a Princess Tea from 10 a.m. to 1
p.m. There will be games galore! There will be coins given! And there will
be prizes to win! Rapier fighters rejoice! Come see your Princess!!
Gwen verch Cynwrig de Insula Mona
Princess, Ansteorra
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:41:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir
to the throne of England
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Greetings,
Had to share, stubbled on this YouTube video of a documentary from May,
2013,
titled: 'Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the throne of
England'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5fIwLo1Trs
Runs under an hour, but highly informative about the Plantagenents and the
Tudor lines.??
?
Cheers, Hillary
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:03:56 -0600
From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
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greetings
thank you ; )
I am sure that depending on ones perspective , there may be millions of "
magic " people and peers out there for people to find , but for me this set
of landeds were those " magic people " and between them and the many people
who have befriended me over the years, I would find it very , very hard to
just walk away ....
Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa A. May" <maaggie1 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Retention, was Ideas and others
> Arthur,
>
> Aside from a thread that I find fascinating of itself, I found your words
> to be extremely moving, and I can only aspire to have such a profound,
> positive effect on someone's perception of this life that we live in the
> Society. And then hope that they do the same for others, who will continue
> to "pay it forward" for future generations (who, getting back to the
> thread, we very much need to recruit and retain!).
>
> Maggie
>
> Countess Margaret ny Connor
> Barony of the Steppes
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
>
> "And do as adversaries do in law, strive mightily then eat and drink as
> friends." Wm. Shakespeare
>
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> but even more importantly , in the sca I learned that there can be pride
>> in services well done, even if nobody is watching . and I learned from a
>> distant baron and baroness that serving honorably ( even when told it's
>> ok to go have fun ) can make a person feel like they are important enough
>> to be trusted by peers of the realm . . .
>> . . . they made me feel as if I was NEEDED & USEFUL ,
>> . . . I " know " that somewhere , some time, if I can just find the right
>> job , and do it well enough , there's a chance I can feel as needed, as
>> wanted, as important as I did around these two wonderful people ...
>> if everyone could make people feel like they made me feel , no one would
>> ever want to leave an event .....
>>
>> anyway, I think I started drifting there, but , I guess boiled down, I'm
>> trying to say , that at one event I found magic , that magic lasted for 2
>> years , and then it was someone else's turn to experience that magic, to
>> this day I'm still playing because I want to experience the magic again
>> ... to feel as if I truly am THE HONORABLE LORD ARTHUR BLACKMOON ,
>> instead of tired old Robert Sloan play acting like someone might actually
>> miss him if he just walked away ....
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:55:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Trends in Ansteorran Activity
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Greetings,
The presentation just ended, and before all the chatter starts up,
thanks to those who gathered all the data and to the Crown for working on
the presentation:
Gate Sheets data collection:? HL Brenna MacDonald of Stargate
Awards collection:? HL Estril Sweet of Mooneschadowe
Presentation:? Their Majesties and Sir Ulsted, Kingdom Seneschal
?
Thanks for all your hard work and for taking the time to make the
presentation available online.
?
Cheers, Hillary
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:59:55 -0600
From: King Jean Paul <king at crown.ansteorra.org>
To: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>, "Kingdom of Ansteorra -
SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Trends in Ansteorran Activity
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Also, the Baronies and Province of Mooneschadowe supplied a lot of the
initial data that started the whole project.
Jean Paul
Qui mieux fait, mieux vault.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Hillary Greenslade
<hillaryrg at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Greetings,
> The presentation just ended, and before all the chatter starts up,
> thanks to those who gathered all the data and to the Crown for working on
> the presentation:
> Gate Sheets data collection: HL Brenna MacDonald of Stargate
> Awards collection: HL Estril Sweet of Mooneschadowe
> Presentation: Their Majesties and Sir Ulsted, Kingdom Seneschal
>
> Thanks for all your hard work and for taking the time to make the
> presentation available online.
>
> Cheers, Hillary
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:06:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful
heir to the throne of England
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Had to share, stubbled on this YouTube video of a documentary from May,
> 2013,
> titled: 'Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the throne of
> England'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5fIwLo1Trs
My first thought was "Do we have to spray for Jacobites again?".
I am NOT trying to slag you, Hillary! It's fine that you mention it.
The problem is that he's wrong in practice, and since practice
actually controls royal successions, ...
> Runs under an hour
Luckily, Googling quickly provided his theory, so I don't have to
watch all 48:18. It's actually an infestation of mutated
quasi-Ricardians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_successions_of_the_English_crown
And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_IV_of_England#Controversy has
rebuttals. "Under English common law a child born to a married woman
is presumed to be her husband's, although the husband may contest the
presumption. Also, even if he were illegitimate, Edward still had a
direct (albeit legally barred) blood-claim to the throne through his
mother Cecily, who was a great-granddaughter of Edward III through
John of Gaunt and his illegitimate daughter (Cecily's mother) Joan
Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland." And even whether the barring was
legal and the illegitimacy legal is questionable.
Certainly in practice, Edward IV and his heirs by birth and/or law
have usually had the overwhelming acceptance of the people in
practice, which is really the true source of monarchy, despite Tony
Robinson's nonsense of "The monarchy rests entirely on blood and
inheritance". I am minded of the motton on the inside of the crowns
of Caid: "You rule because they believe". It could just as justly be
engraved inside the crowns of the UK.
Danihel Lincolnia
--
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 03:06:26 GMT
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Vigdis post
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I agree with Vigdis we need to get people doing something as soon as
possible and as many as we can. But this is also Good for Old people. If you
find your local group a little "political' and you get burn out don't leave
just do something different for a while. I have skipped around from static
arts to performing to metal working to fighting and each group is like a
whole new SCA. there are different faces and more important different view
points. The light fighters are way different than the felting people.
This is my secret for my long life in the SCA.
willow
Willow loves Vigdis, Vigdis gives Willlow pretty colored wool. take off on
"Larry, Loves Master" But seriously if Vigdis and her family are up for
grabs I claim rank. She is great.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:23:06 -0600
From: Peter Holland <pholland64 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] OT: Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful
heir to the throne of England
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my only comment they do not go back far enough
how is Edward III legit if his farther only loved men
Edward III is a Mortimer
so bastards abound
at the end of the day it means very little Elizabeth Windsor is Queen
and a son of the Spencer line is next in line
so yeah war of the roses
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013, Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Had to share, stubbled on this YouTube video of a documentary from May,
>> 2013,
>> titled: 'Queen Elizabeth II - is NOT the rightful heir to the throne of
>> England'.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=z5fIwLo1Trs<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5fIwLo1Trs>
>>
>
> My first thought was "Do we have to spray for Jacobites again?".
>
> I am NOT trying to slag you, Hillary! It's fine that you mention it.
> The problem is that he's wrong in practice, and since practice
> actually controls royal successions, ...
>
> Runs under an hour
>>
>
> Luckily, Googling quickly provided his theory, so I don't have to
> watch all 48:18. It's actually an infestation of mutated
> quasi-Ricardians.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Alternative_successions_of_**
> the_English_crown<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_successions_of_the_English_crown>
>
> And
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Edward_IV_of_England#**Controversy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_IV_of_England#Controversy>has
> rebuttals. "Under English common law a child born to a married woman
> is presumed to be her husband's, although the husband may contest the
> presumption. Also, even if he were illegitimate, Edward still had a
> direct (albeit legally barred) blood-claim to the throne through his
> mother Cecily, who was a great-granddaughter of Edward III through
> John of Gaunt and his illegitimate daughter (Cecily's mother) Joan
> Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland." And even whether the barring was
> legal and the illegitimacy legal is questionable.
>
> Certainly in practice, Edward IV and his heirs by birth and/or law
> have usually had the overwhelming acceptance of the people in
> practice, which is really the true source of monarchy, despite Tony
> Robinson's nonsense of "The monarchy rests entirely on blood and
> inheritance". I am minded of the motton on the inside of the crowns
> of Caid: "You rule because they believe". It could just as justly be
> engraved inside the crowns of the UK.
>
> Danihel Lincolnia
> --
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squalling with the knowledge that all the points of the compass there is
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:01:48 -0600
From: Kingdom Calendar Requests <calendar at seneschal.ansteorra.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: [Ansteorra] Fwd: Event Calendar
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Any typographical errors are my own. If you see anything wrong,
please send it to me _off-list_.
Cheers,
Reis
===
February 2013 (A.S. XLVII)
Royal Huntsman Bids Due
King's College Bids Due
1-3 Candlemas - Bryn Gwlad (Austin, TX) *PED* HP
8-10 Kingdom A&S/Eisteddfod - Bordermarch (Beaumont, TX) RP, HP, LC
15-17 Provincial Games - Mooneschadowe (Stillwater, OK) RP, Pc, CSSC
Southern Regional War College - Raven's Fort (Huntsville, TX) Ps
Presidents' Day Weekend
22-24 Tournament of the Smitten Heart - Bjornsborg (San Antonio, TX)
March 2013 (A.S. XLVII)
Summer Crown Tourney Bids Due
Summer Round Table Bids Due
1-3
8-10 Out of Kingdom: Gulf Wars XXII (10th-17th) RP, HP
15-17 Out of Kingdom: Gulf Wars XXII (10th-17th) RP, HP
22-24 Guardian of the Tor XXII - Dragonsfire Tor (Stephenville, TX) HP
29-31 Eldern Baronial - Eldern Hills (Lawton, OK)
Easter Weekend
April 2013 (A.S. XLVII)
5-7 Elfsea Defender/Royal Lancer - Elfsea (Ft. Worth, TX) *PED* RP, HP
12-14 Stargate Baronial Championship - Stargate (Houston, TX) *PED*
Glaslyn Defender of the Flame - Glaslyn (Denton, TX)
19-21 Wiesenfeuer Baronial - Wiesenfeuer (Oklahoma City, OK) *PED* RP
26-28 Coronation/King's Champion - TBD RP, HP
May 2013 (A.S. XLVIII)
Laurel's Prize Tourney/Fall Arts Bids Due
3-5 Loch Soilleir Baronial Championship - Loch Soilleir (Clear Lake, TX)
*PED*
Beltane Games - Namron (Norman, OK)
10-12 Castellan - Northkeep (Tulsa, OK) *PED*
17-19 Queen's Champion - TBD
24-26 Steppes Warlord - Steppes (Dallas, TX) *PED*
Memorial Day Weekend
June 2013 (A.S. XLVIII)
Fall Royal Lancer Bids Due
31-2
7-9 King's College - TBD
14-16 Hellsgate Commanders Crucible - Hellsgate (Ft. Hood, TX)
21-23 Collision of Caravans - Adlersruhe (Amarillo, TX)
28-30 Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium - Bjornsborg (San Antonio,
TX)
July 2013 (A.S. XLVIII)
Fall Coronation/King's Champion Bids Due
Fall Queen's Champion Bids Due
5-7 Crown Tournament - TBD
Fourth of July Weekend
12-14 King's Round Table - TBD
19-21 Steppes Artisan - Steppes (Dallas, TX)
Out of Kingdom: Pennsic XLII
26-28 Out of Kingdom: Pennsic XLII
--
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Kingdom Calendar Deputy
calendar at ansteorra.org
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:03:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Kristi Johnson <kristi_johnson1972 at att.net>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas was Presentation at Round Table
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I left for a couple of years a while back and have been easing my way back
in.
I recently went surfing the calendar to look for events I might like to
attend,
wallet able. Something I noticed is the dearth of events on the calendar.
Back in the very late 1990's and early 00's there were lots of events to go
to.
There were big ones and there were small ones. There were events near and
far.
Now there are pretty much 4 or 5 events a month. 1 perhaps 2 per
weekend....in
the whole kingdom!
"Hey neighbor that's a really cool helmet you're polishing; what's it for?"
"Well this weekend how about we drive from Houston to Oklahoma City so I can
show you!" It's nuts.
We need to get over the idea that "Oooo we can't put our event up against
XYZ
big baronial event(that is not happening in our barony)". The big events
are
great. Don't get me wrong. I love 'em. They're a blast. But small events
can
be great too. The ones that are really good are going to become big events
and
big ones that may be getting stale will fade. That's life. (I don't know
that
any big ones are getting stale but the chances are, there are or there will
be.)
Back when we had as many events as our groups could put on there wasn't such
a
desperate need for every event to be a blockbuster. Now a small group has
to
pour all their resources into one "big" event and pray that it pays off.
Open
the calendar back up to the smaller events with official recognition in the
Black Star and I think you will see more people attending events.
I for one would love to attend a smaller local event that I can afford to
get
to, rather that sit at home and wish that I could afford to go to the big
one a
tank of gas away; just when I go look at the calendar those events just
aren't
there anymore.
Thora O.
________________________________
From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Sent: Tue, January 29, 2013 4:37:55 AM
Subject: [Ansteorra] ideas was Presentation at Round Table
Greetings from Duchess Willow de Wisp, OP OR OL, Lion of Ansteorra and a
member
since AS III<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Our King has said ?there trouble right here in Ansteorra?, but he failed to
describe the problem. Our problem is our events are not attracting people.
While the people putting on the Events are happy with what they are doing
many
members are no happy and feel it is a waste of time to attend events outside
of
their Area.
In the last year I have attending event after event that was based on people
talking to their friends. I did not know many people so I walked around
feeling
lonely. This isn?t the SCA I joined and stayed in for so many years.
I go to SCA events for escape and atmosphere. I like pretty so I go for the
banners and flags. I like the courtesy so I go to be able to interact with
people in a courtly manner. I also like to do things in persona and tell
stories
and when I was younger dancing. Now I like to watch the dancing. I love the
Magic.
I don?t like events that make you feel like an outsider. I don?t like feast
when
they don?t light candles. I don?t like tourneys that are run so fast you
cannot
tell who won. I don?t like 3 or 4 or more list fields going at the same
time. I
hate it when fighters don?t fall down and die. I don?t like Court that ruin
the
evening party and I hate these made up courts that do not reflect our study
eras. I am really bored with parties that consist of everyone just getting
drunk
.I hate events that have no venue for me to entertain. I despise events
where
behaving in a medieval fashion seems to be discouraged.
I realize that the people putting on the events expect us to entertain
ourselves
and they are comfortable with the current style of event. I also realize
that
they are doing a lot and these limited events are what they have the workers
to
do. If they?re going to be more at our events then those people currently
not
working on the events will have to pitch in and make them these things
happen.
Here are a few simple things that will spice up our event and make people
willing to attend out of group event.
First let?s look at Ansteorra events that use to pull people. What did they
have
that we are not doing now?
Decoration: In the past there was a lot of effort to decorate and make
things
look period. I enjoy events that have period decoration and wall hangings
and
candles. I spent my first years just enjoying the candlelight. It was so
romantic. Candle light brings out the romantic in all of us.
I believe that pageantry and beauty is a major attraction of the SCA so we
need
to dress up our sites. So please make one room sort of medieval. I would be
willing to help people make wall hangings. Most of the Wall Hangings used at
events where made by people working independently and did not use SCA money
and
where kept by the artist that made them. Often they were made to fit into a
theme of an event at the request of the Autocrat. Sometimes the event was
created to show off the decoration.
As individuals we can add to the beauty and pageantry of an event by
decoration
our personal space and if we are really trying to make Magic make our own
Mini
event at our area and invite the wandering souls in. Many of the people we
attract are isolates by nature and need the game we play to be comfortable
at
events. If you allow people to bask in the Magic at you campsite you will be
serving a great service to the kingdom.
Entertainment not contests? We arranged entertainment. Not only the Bard
telling
us the tales of Anstoerran Heroes, but also persona play. The King would
declare
that the food would not be served until a marvel appear and message for
Pester
John could come in and set everyone on a quest. Or the peacock in it plumage
would be bought in and the Knights would swear oaths. All of this didn?t
just
happen. It was planned and arranged so it looked like it was just natural.
We need some entertainment. I would like a kingdom office of Master of
Revels
and I would like to see every event have a Master of Revels. This office
would
be used to arrange some entertainment at events. Just enough to make the
Magic.
The Office would search out "good" talent and arrange places from them to
entertain that didn't interfere with the people who just want to talk to
their
friends. The Master of Revels might organize some open areas where anyone
could
perform. That would allow the performers to show what they could do and
allow
the Master of Revel a place to find new performer.
We used to do Courtly dancing. This was often on the Green .The Master or
Mistress of the Revel would organize that and coordinate it with other
activities.
We used to have Taverns with persona play and Coffee Housed and
entertainment
area all over a site. These were places that people who new, or just didn?t
know
a lot of people or just don?t like everyday conversation could go. They were
like pools of enchantment.
There was Courtly conversation among the populace. Gentlemen would address
the
Ladies and kiss their hands and Ladies, even old ladies like me, would flirt
with the gentlemen. The behavior of the populace can make or break the
?Magic?
of an event. We need to increase the Courtesies. Many a Lady and Gentleman
were
drawn to the SCA for the chance to do those old fashion Courtesies. When we
make
our events so everyday people really do not know how to act so in doubt they
fall back on the everyday. In the everyday world the lady carries her own
load
and is proud to do so. If a Lord is trying to be Courtly.to a lady who is
being
everyday then the Lord often gets rebuffed and the event is somewhat ruined
for
him.
These kinds of Courtesies are better learned in a group situation through
Modeling. We need to open our personal space to new people and show them
the
courtesies by doing them. We also need to arrange more classes on the
subject.
In today?s world young people learn to be very quiet until they have
mastered a
skill so our current recruits will be slow to do any courtly interaction
until
they are conformable with doing them.
If we looked more medieval and acted more medieval and if we made sure that
we,
(that everybody who can,) welcome people to our events. I believe that we
would
go a long way to increasing people going to out of group events and
increasing
our membership
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:31:50 -0600
From: Ren Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Cc: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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Just keep in mind these are two issues I have heard of and also are a bit my
own. They are not the biggest or the most do-able; they were the issues I
chose to tackle. If it helped bring some positive changes, great; if not, oh
well.
I know it is impossible to put the genie back in the bottle, but at least I
tried.
Katrine
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2013, at 6:19 PM, James Crouchet <james at crouchet.com> wrote:
>> Our Society needs to work on hiding the modern conveniences, if not
>> leaving some of them at home.
>
> Always. It was true when I joined, it's true now. Periodic pushes for
> more authenticity are like small rudder corrections on a boat; they keep
> us sailing in the right direction.
>
>> Why not stop posting immediate information, photos and live
>> videos/video feed of events until after events?
>
> I don't think we will be putting that genie back in the bottle. But maybe
> we can better hide the devices.
>
> Christian Dor?
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:40:01 -0600
From: Scott Fridenberg <fitzmorgan at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Trends in Ansteorran Activity
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The presentation was interesting. It happened to coincide with a revel we
were having, and provoked a lot of discussion.
One thing that struck me was that while overall event attendance
is trending downwards, the average attendance at events remained steady.
This suggests the possibility that the various efforts over the years to
limit the number of events happening on the same weekend, rather than being
the solution to a problem, might, in fact, be a cause of some our problems.
It does not appear that limiting the number of events on the calendar has
resulted in increased attendance at the events that are happening. It
may be that having more and closer events to choose from may result in
greater overall attendance, without decreasing the attendance at the other
events happening on the same weekend.
Robert Fitzmorgan
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:59 PM, King Jean Paul
<king at crown.ansteorra.org>wrote:
> Also, the Baronies and Province of Mooneschadowe supplied a lot of the
> initial data that started the whole project.
>
> Jean Paul
>
>
>
> Qui mieux fait, mieux vault.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> > The presentation just ended, and before all the chatter starts up,
> > thanks to those who gathered all the data and to the Crown for working
> > on
> > the presentation:
> > Gate Sheets data collection: HL Brenna MacDonald of Stargate
> > Awards collection: HL Estril Sweet of Mooneschadowe
> > Presentation: Their Majesties and Sir Ulsted, Kingdom Seneschal
> >
> > Thanks for all your hard work and for taking the time to make the
> > presentation available online.
> >
> > Cheers, Hillary
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 07:27:44 -0600
From: David Brown <lddevin03 at yahoo.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas was Presentation at Round Table
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I have to agree with her. Maybe more events both large and small will get
people out and playing again/more!
David Brown
There is no better therapy than a dogs love.
Kristi Johnson <kristi_johnson1972 at att.net> wrote:
>I left for a couple of years a while back and have been easing my way back
>in.
>I recently went surfing the calendar to look for events I might like to
>attend,
>wallet able. Something I noticed is the dearth of events on the calendar.
>Back in the very late 1990's and early 00's there were lots of events to go
>to.
>There were big ones and there were small ones. There were events near and
>far.
>Now there are pretty much 4 or 5 events a month. 1 perhaps 2 per
>weekend....in
>the whole kingdom!
>
>"Hey neighbor that's a really cool helmet you're polishing; what's it for?"
>"Well this weekend how about we drive from Houston to Oklahoma City so I
>can
>show you!" It's nuts.
>
>
>We need to get over the idea that "Oooo we can't put our event up against
>XYZ
>big baronial event(that is not happening in our barony)". The big events
>are
>great. Don't get me wrong. I love 'em. They're a blast. But small events
>can
>be great too. The ones that are really good are going to become big events
>and
>big ones that may be getting stale will fade. That's life. (I don't know
>that
>any big ones are getting stale but the chances are, there are or there will
>be.)
>
>
>Back when we had as many events as our groups could put on there wasn't
>such a
>desperate need for every event to be a blockbuster. Now a small group has
>to
>pour all their resources into one "big" event and pray that it pays off.
>Open
>the calendar back up to the smaller events with official recognition in the
>Black Star and I think you will see more people attending events.
>
>
>I for one would love to attend a smaller local event that I can afford to
>get
>to, rather that sit at home and wish that I could afford to go to the big
>one a
>tank of gas away; just when I go look at the calendar those events just
>aren't
>there anymore.
>
>Thora O.
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "willowdewisp at juno.com" <willowdewisp at juno.com>
>To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
>Sent: Tue, January 29, 2013 4:37:55 AM
>Subject: [Ansteorra] ideas was Presentation at Round Table
>
>Greetings from Duchess Willow de Wisp, OP OR OL, Lion of Ansteorra and a
>member
>since AS III<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>Our King has said ?there trouble right here in Ansteorra?, but he failed to
>describe the problem. Our problem is our events are not attracting people.
>
>While the people putting on the Events are happy with what they are doing
>many
>members are no happy and feel it is a waste of time to attend events
>outside of
>their Area.
>In the last year I have attending event after event that was based on
>people
>talking to their friends. I did not know many people so I walked around
>feeling
>lonely. This isn?t the SCA I joined and stayed in for so many years.
>I go to SCA events for escape and atmosphere. I like pretty so I go for the
>banners and flags. I like the courtesy so I go to be able to interact with
>people in a courtly manner. I also like to do things in persona and tell
>stories
>and when I was younger dancing. Now I like to watch the dancing. I love the
>Magic.
>
>I don?t like events that make you feel like an outsider. I don?t like feast
>when
>they don?t light candles. I don?t like tourneys that are run so fast you
>cannot
>tell who won. I don?t like 3 or 4 or more list fields going at the same
>time. I
>hate it when fighters don?t fall down and die. I don?t like Court that ruin
>the
>evening party and I hate these made up courts that do not reflect our study
>eras. I am really bored with parties that consist of everyone just getting
>drunk
>.I hate events that have no venue for me to entertain. I despise events
>where
>behaving in a medieval fashion seems to be discouraged.
>I realize that the people putting on the events expect us to entertain
>ourselves
>and they are comfortable with the current style of event. I also realize
>that
>they are doing a lot and these limited events are what they have the
>workers to
>do. If they?re going to be more at our events then those people currently
>not
>working on the events will have to pitch in and make them these things
>happen.
>Here are a few simple things that will spice up our event and make people
>willing to attend out of group event.
>
>First let?s look at Ansteorra events that use to pull people. What did they
>have
>that we are not doing now?
>
>Decoration: In the past there was a lot of effort to decorate and make
>things
>look period. I enjoy events that have period decoration and wall hangings
>and
>candles. I spent my first years just enjoying the candlelight. It was so
>romantic. Candle light brings out the romantic in all of us.
>I believe that pageantry and beauty is a major attraction of the SCA so we
>need
>to dress up our sites. So please make one room sort of medieval. I would be
>willing to help people make wall hangings. Most of the Wall Hangings used
>at
>events where made by people working independently and did not use SCA money
>and
>where kept by the artist that made them. Often they were made to fit into a
>theme of an event at the request of the Autocrat. Sometimes the event was
>created to show off the decoration.
>
>As individuals we can add to the beauty and pageantry of an event by
>decoration
>our personal space and if we are really trying to make Magic make our own
>Mini
>event at our area and invite the wandering souls in. Many of the people we
>attract are isolates by nature and need the game we play to be comfortable
>at
>events. If you allow people to bask in the Magic at you campsite you will
>be
>serving a great service to the kingdom.
>
>Entertainment not contests? We arranged entertainment. Not only the Bard
>telling
>us the tales of Anstoerran Heroes, but also persona play. The King would
>declare
>that the food would not be served until a marvel appear and message for
>Pester
>John could come in and set everyone on a quest. Or the peacock in it
>plumage
>would be bought in and the Knights would swear oaths. All of this didn?t
>just
>happen. It was planned and arranged so it looked like it was just natural.
>
>We need some entertainment. I would like a kingdom office of Master of
>Revels
>and I would like to see every event have a Master of Revels. This office
>would
>be used to arrange some entertainment at events. Just enough to make the
>Magic.
>The Office would search out "good" talent and arrange places from them to
>entertain that didn't interfere with the people who just want to talk to
>their
>friends. The Master of Revels might organize some open areas where anyone
>could
>perform. That would allow the performers to show what they could do and
>allow
>the Master of Revel a place to find new performer.
>
>We used to do Courtly dancing. This was often on the Green .The Master or
>Mistress of the Revel would organize that and coordinate it with other
>activities.
>
>We used to have Taverns with persona play and Coffee Housed and
>entertainment
>area all over a site. These were places that people who new, or just didn?t
>know
>a lot of people or just don?t like everyday conversation could go. They
>were
>like pools of enchantment.
>
>There was Courtly conversation among the populace. Gentlemen would address
>the
>Ladies and kiss their hands and Ladies, even old ladies like me, would
>flirt
>with the gentlemen. The behavior of the populace can make or break the
>?Magic?
>of an event. We need to increase the Courtesies. Many a Lady and Gentleman
>were
>drawn to the SCA for the chance to do those old fashion Courtesies. When we
>make
>our events so everyday people really do not know how to act so in doubt
>they
>fall back on the everyday. In the everyday world the lady carries her own
>load
>and is proud to do so. If a Lord is trying to be Courtly.to a lady who is
>being
>everyday then the Lord often gets rebuffed and the event is somewhat ruined
>for
>him.
>
>These kinds of Courtesies are better learned in a group situation through
>Modeling. We need to open our personal space to new people and show them
>the
>courtesies by doing them. We also need to arrange more classes on the
>subject.
>In today?s world young people learn to be very quiet until they have
>mastered a
>skill so our current recruits will be slow to do any courtly interaction
>until
>they are conformable with doing them.
>
>If we looked more medieval and acted more medieval and if we made sure that
>we,
>(that everybody who can,) welcome people to our events. I believe that we
>would
>go a long way to increasing people going to out of group events and
>increasing
>our membership
>
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 05:26:27 -0800 (PST)
From: donotreply at ansteorra.org
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] Ansteorra Marshallate Authorization Expirations
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The following individuals have authorizations that are recently expired or
are
soon to expire:
Aaron MacGregor
Fynnon Gath
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Aegelmaere Redmund
Bordermarch
Rapier Combat : 12/12
Aelfwyn Webbestre
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 03/13
Ainar Magnusson
Northkeep
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 05/13
Airaklee Wolf
Glaslyn
Armored Combat : 12/12
Fiberglass Spear : 12/12
Armored Marshal : 12/12
Alexander Peregrine
Steppes
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
C&T Combat : 05/13
Armored Combat Archery : 05/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 05/13
Alexis la Bouche
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Alianorra MacAiodh
Steppes
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Alric Morgannwgg
Loch Ruadh
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Alys Durivau
Elfsea
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Amelot Lisette du Blummont
Bryn Gwlad
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Angus Gunn
Northkeep
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Ansgar von Aachen
Greywood
Rapier Combat : 01/13
Rapier Marshal : 01/13
Arabella MacKinnon
Eldern Hills
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Arenvald Kief Av Kierstad
Raven`s Fort
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Arkell vom Cophus
Bjornsborg
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Armand Dragonetti
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Asoph Hearts
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Siege Combat : 03/13
Avery Shaw
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Bastian Eisengart
Shadowlands
Armored Marshal : 12/12
Brian du Val
Ravens Fort
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Siege Combat : 03/13
Brian MacCael
Stargate
Rapier Combat : 04/13
Rapier Marshal : 04/13
Brian O` Dailey
Fynnon Gath
Armored Combat : 03/13
Brin Dorian Camber
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Armored Combat Archery : 05/13
Brion Thornbird ap Rhys
Steppes
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Britta MacGregor
Blacklake
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Brom OBrien
Eldern Hills
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Burke Kyriell MacDonald
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Caerell MacDomnaill
Loch Ruadh
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Caitlin Faelain
Shadowlands
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Caius Scaevola
Glaslyn
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Calvin Tittle
Bordermarch
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Ceallach Mac Donal
Bryn Gwlad
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Celonise Du Charme
Trelac
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Chiang Ti Lung
Bonwicke
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Christopher Hamilton
Eldern Hills
Armored Combat : 04/13
Armored Marshal : 04/13
Colin MacNachtan
Bryn Gwlad
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Daffydd Whittaker
Brad Leah
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Daniel de Burdon
Adlersruhe
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Armored Combat Archery : 01/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 01/13
Daniel O` Ceieachair
Elfsea
Siege Combat : 03/13
Siege Marshal : 03/13
Target Archery Marshal : 03/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 03/13
Diego de Valor
Seawinds
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Dieter von Eberhart
Steppes
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Dominique Michelle LeVesseur
Wiesenfeuer
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 03/13
Donnchad de Pixley
Gates Edge
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Duncan Hepburn
Steppes
Armored Combat : 12/12
Fiberglass Spear : 12/12
Armored Marshal : 12/12
Dyryke Stanley
Elfsea
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Eadric Anstapa
Gates Edge
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Siege Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Eberhart Sturmere
Steppes
Armored Combat : 01/13
Eisen von Iserlohn
Fynnon Gath
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Elena de la Reve
Fynnon Gath
Armored Combat : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Elisava Illiesca
Bjornsborg
Armored Combat : 04/13
Armored Marshal : 04/13
Elizabeth Seale
Steppes
Rapier Combat : 12/12
Enoch Crandall Mac Cranon
Elfsea
Armored Marshal : 04/13
Rapier Combat : 04/13
Rapier Marshal : 04/13
Etienne de St. Amaranth
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Evrard de Le Croix
Bjornsborg
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Finn Sionnach
Glaslyn
Armored Combat : 03/13
Frederick of Rosenfeld
Rosenfeld
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Gaelyn Eadwin Kirchenbauer
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Gavin MacIain
Trelac
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Gavriel Gunnerson
Mooneschadowe
Armored Combat : 02/13
Geoffrey Sparhawk
Steppes
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Geoffrey Tailor
Tir Medoin
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
George of Shadowlands
Shadowlands
Armored Combat : 05/13
Georges Le Breton
Gates Edge
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Siege Combat : 05/13
Gerold von Drachenhohle
Blacklake
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Gest Grimsson
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Gilyan Clonmacnoise
Mooneschadowe
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 05/13
Giovanni de Firenze
Steppes
Armored Combat : 12/12
Fiberglass Spear : 12/12
Armored Marshal : 12/12
Rapier Combat : 12/12
Giovanni Rocco
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Godwin of Edington
Stargate
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Gotz von Totenburg
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Grazia Di Giacomo
Steppes
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 03/13
Gregor
Eldern Hills
Armored Combat : 12/12
Guion Dupre
Dragonsfire Tor
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Gunhilda Amberstar
Mooneschadowe
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Gunthar Jonsson
Steppes
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Gwenneth Bowynne of Glamorgan
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Helene Delasenne
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 12/12
Armored Marshal : 12/12
Henri Hibou du Bois
Greywood
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Iaen Mor
Gates Edge
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Iago Cabrera de Cadiz
Bjornsborg
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Ian MacBaird
Rosenfeld
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Isabelot de Forens
Shadowlands
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Jacque the Spink
Steppes
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 02/13
Jason of Mooneschadowe
Mooneschadowe
Armored Combat : 02/13
Jasper Codrington
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Jean Delapole
Namron
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Jean Miachal DuBois
Wiesenfeuer
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Jeremiah Johnson
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Johan
Bjornsborg
Armored Combat : 04/13
Jon D`Athos
Ravens Fort
Rapier Combat : 12/12
Jonathan Bernard De Laufyson
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Jonathan de Laufyson
Lindenwood
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Justus ap Dewi
Northkeep
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 02/13
Karolus Janos
Steppes
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Karrick
Elfsea
Target Archery Marshal : 04/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 04/13
Kazimierz of Loch Ruadh
Loch Ruadh
Armored Combat : 02/13
Kein MacEwan
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Keiron MacBride
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 02/13
Kelandra Carmichael
Northkeep
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Kenji Ryuzaki
Out of Kingdom
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Kenneth MacQuarrie of Tobermory
Bjornsborg
Fiberglass Spear : 04/13
Kolskeggr Thorulfsson
Bjornsborg
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Lochlan Dunn
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Louis le Blaireau
Glaslyn
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Lyneya de Grey
Steppes
Target Archery Marshal : 12/12
Madog of Glastonbury
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Maelgwyn Dda
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Magnus Bassi Gunnerson
Mooneschadowe
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Marc Antoine de Larue
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Marcus Cassius Maximus
Seawinds
Armored Combat : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Matt
Northkeep
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Mattie of Northkeep
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 04/13
Michael of Gravesend
Stargate
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Siege Combat : 03/13
Armored Combat Archery : 03/13
Michel mac Donnchaid
Eldern Hills
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Mistic Dulores
Bjornsborg
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Modius von Mergentheim
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Armored Combat Archery : 03/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 03/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 03/13
Morgan Camber
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Morgan Gambriz
Bjornsborg
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Muirghein MacKiernan
Trelac
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Niord
Eldern Hills
Armored Combat : 05/13
Ochoa Ramirez de Orozco
Mooneschadowe
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Olaf Ironheart
Bordermarch
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Orlando Giovanni
Namron
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Ottokar Luther Von Holstine
Chemin Noir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 02/13
Padraic of Kilkenny
Gates Edge
Armored Combat : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Philip Rufus Kennard
Bonwicke
Armored Combat : 05/13
Fiberglass Spear : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Piers Brent
Bryn Gwlad
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rafe Slater
Mooneschadowe
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Randel Lee Smith
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Renault du Mont-Saint Michel
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Reynard the Brown
Bryn Gwlad
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rixende de Rouen
Elfsea
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Rapier Marshal : 05/13
Rorik Torsteinsson
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 03/13
Rosalia of Ravens Fort
Ravens Fort
Rapier Combat : 01/13
Rosalinda de Salerno
Greywood
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Safiye Griffith
Trelac
Armored Combat : 05/13
Armored Marshal : 05/13
Sarran the traveler
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Seamus O`Hagan
Shadowlands
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Sebastian Frobishire
Elfsea
Armored Combat Archery : 01/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 01/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 01/13
Simone Valery la Rousse
Stargate
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Sylvius
Stargate
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Tegulaved McAuley
Loch Ruadh
Target Archery Marshal : 01/13
Therese Maria Giovanni
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Thomas Gordon
Ansteorra - Other
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Thorvald Egilsson
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 04/13
Fiberglass Spear : 04/13
Armored Marshal : 04/13
Thudric Krumrhin
Trelac
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Timothy Le Corbusier
Northkeep
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Timur Borte
Adlersruhe
Armored Combat : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Tomas Niallagain
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 02/13
Tristan von Heidelberg
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Uillecc dubh MacUillicc
Steppes
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Ulf Arnfinnson
Northkeep
Rapier Combat : 03/13
Rapier Marshal : 03/13
Ulferth
Bordermarch
Armored Combat : 01/13
Ulsted the Unsteady
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
C&T Combat : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Siege Marshal : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 02/13
Violante von Oesterreich
Bjornsborg
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Vivian McKinnon
Loch Ruadh
Target Archery Marshal : 02/13
Vlad Ravna Starkraven
Stargate
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Wayland of Durlach
Seawinds
Armored Combat : 03/13
Fiberglass Spear : 03/13
Armored Marshal : 03/13
Armored Combat Archery : 03/13
Whillam Dolock
Wiesenfeuer
Armored Combat : 01/13
Wilhelm Vuhselin
Glaslyn
Armored Combat : 12/12
William (Ironwyrm) Blackdragon
Steppes
Armored Combat Archery : 04/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 04/13
Combat Archery Marshal : 04/13
Target Archery Marshal : 04/13
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 04/13
William Westcott of Welewen
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Rapier Marshal : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Willow de Wisp
Elfsea
Armored Combat : 01/13
Fiberglass Spear : 01/13
Armored Marshal : 01/13
Wissa Medvedeva
Loch Soilleir
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Armored Marshal : 02/13
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Siege Combat : 02/13
Armored Combat Archery : 02/13
Yves de Byron
Trelac
Thrown Weapons Marshal : 02/13
Yves Huguelet
Northkeep
Rapier Combat : 02/13
Aaron of Greywood
Greywood
Rapier Combat : 12/12
Rapier Marshal : 12/12
Rapier Combat Archery : 12/12
Aaron of Dragonsfire Tor
Dragonsfire Tor
Rapier Combat : 05/13
Daniel of Ravens Fort
Ravens Fort
Rapier Combat : 05/13
David of Lindenwood
Lindenwood
Armored Combat : 01/13
Jesse of Lindenwood
Lindenwood
Armored Combat : 01/13
Jessica of Tir Medoin
Tir Medoin
Armored Combat : 02/13
Fiberglass Spear : 02/13
Lindsey of Greywood
Greywood
Rapier Combat : 04/13
Rapier Marshal : 04/13
Rapier Combat Archery : 04/13
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 06:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: STEPHEN STEGER <knightslament at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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"thoughts from a relative newb"
Ok, I arrived on seen back in march. Ive been reading the list for awhile
and "listening" to the commentary.
Ive seen this in church, work, and other groups and going to say what I
have said there.
Now most of you agree on what is needed to be hidden from view and what
needs to be seen as well as what seems to be missing. The issue is two
pronged Recruitment and Retention. To that I say many have this backward.
Turn to the people you already have first. They are already there and
interested but may not be in the future.
People see things from their own perspective, not yours. So if you don't
interact with them they will see a reason. If you do not participate, they
will see a reason. If you aren't volunteering, they will see a reason. They
will see a reason even if it isn't the true reason.
People liked to be included, and invited. Some will not step foot one
forward without said inclusion or invite. If you do not include or invite
them, they will see a reason.
People whether they like to admit it or not like attention and recognition.
Give it to them. If not they will see a reason and seek attention/
recognition somewhere else.
Rumor, innuendo, and gossip. we have enough IRL do we really need it here? I
think not. Do not contribute or spread them or the "horror stories" Remove
the negative if possible shun it if not.
Embrace, support, and nurture anything positive.
New people want to be around others who are having fun and enjoy being
around each other. Do the things to retain and keep your current people
happy, and new people will be attracted.
The best strategy is the safety strategy....Everyone is responsible for
safety. Safety is everyone's Job.
YIS
Stephan Johanne Wilhelm Steger
Hellsgate resident
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 08:59:54 -0600
From: Queen Gilyan <queen at crown.ansteorra.org>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Sponsorship for Gulf Wars
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We are still looking for people interested in this sponsorship!
As of this morning, we have received very little interest, so your chances
are very high!
Queen Gilyan
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Queen of Ansteorra <
queen at crown.ansteorra.org> wrote:
> Have you always wanted to attend Gulf Wars, but just haven't had the
> opportunity yet?
>
> Does budgeting for war seem like a daunting task?
>
> If yes, we may have a solution for you!
>
> Due to the generosity of Sir Evangelos and Lady Sophie, We have the
> ability
> to sponsor site fees for two people to attend war this year. If you are
> able to go, but need some help with site fees, please contact Us. The
> donors of this sponsorship prefer it to allow someone who has never been
> to
> Gulf War attend, but feel free to send a letter regardless.
>
> Thank you to Sir Evangelos and Lady Sophie for their generosity, and We
> look forward to seeing two more people at War!
>
> Jean Paul and Gilyan
> Rex et Regina
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:19:21 -0600
From: Ledonna Mcgowan <ledmcgowan at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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Totally agree with you Stephan. Thank you for your words and wisdom.
Delphina
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:52 AM, STEPHEN STEGER
<knightslament at yahoo.com>wrote:
> "thoughts from a relative newb"
>
> Ok, I arrived on seen back in march. Ive been reading the list for awhile
> and "listening" to the commentary.
>
> Ive seen this in church, work, and other groups and going to say what I
> have said there.
>
> Now most of you agree on what is needed to be hidden from view and what
> needs to be seen as well as what seems to be missing. The issue is two
> pronged Recruitment and Retention. To that I say many have this backward.
> Turn to the people you already have first. They are already there and
> interested but may not be in the future.
>
> People see things from their own perspective, not yours. So if you don't
> interact with them they will see a reason. If you do not participate, they
> will see a reason. If you aren't volunteering, they will see a reason.
> They
> will see a reason even if it isn't the true reason.
>
> People liked to be included, and invited. Some will not step foot one
> forward without said inclusion or invite. If you do not include or invite
> them, they will see a reason.
>
> People whether they like to admit it or not like attention and
> recognition. Give it to them. If not they will see a reason and seek
> attention/ recognition somewhere else.
>
> Rumor, innuendo, and gossip. we have enough IRL do we really need it here?
> I think not. Do not contribute or spread them or the "horror stories"
> Remove the negative if possible shun it if not.
>
> Embrace, support, and nurture anything positive.
>
> New people want to be around others who are having fun and enjoy being
> around each other. Do the things to retain and keep your current people
> happy, and new people will be attracted.
>
> The best strategy is the safety strategy....Everyone is responsible for
> safety. Safety is everyone's Job.
>
> YIS
> Stephan Johanne Wilhelm Steger
> Hellsgate resident
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:22:42 -0600
From: Ren Fridenberg <rubberduckiemom at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Cc: "ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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Thank you for reminding us.
Katrine
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:52 AM, STEPHEN STEGER <knightslament at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "thoughts from a relative newb"
>
> Ok, I arrived on seen back in march. Ive been reading the list for awhile
> and "listening" to the commentary.
>
> Ive seen this in church, work, and other groups and going to say what I
> have said there.
>
> Now most of you agree on what is needed to be hidden from view and what
> needs to be seen as well as what seems to be missing. The issue is two
> pronged Recruitment and Retention. To that I say many have this backward.
> Turn to the people you already have first. They are already there and
> interested but may not be in the future.
>
> People see things from their own perspective, not yours. So if you don't
> interact with them they will see a reason. If you do not participate, they
> will see a reason. If you aren't volunteering, they will see a reason.
> They will see a reason even if it isn't the true reason.
>
> People liked to be included, and invited. Some will not step foot one
> forward without said inclusion or invite. If you do not include or invite
> them, they will see a reason.
>
> People whether they like to admit it or not like attention and
> recognition. Give it to them. If not they will see a reason and seek
> attention/ recognition somewhere else.
>
> Rumor, innuendo, and gossip. we have enough IRL do we really need it here?
> I think not. Do not contribute or spread them or the "horror stories"
> Remove the negative if possible shun it if not.
>
> Embrace, support, and nurture anything positive.
>
> New people want to be around others who are having fun and enjoy being
> around each other. Do the things to retain and keep your current people
> happy, and new people will be attracted.
>
> The best strategy is the safety strategy....Everyone is responsible for
> safety. Safety is everyone's Job.
>
> YIS
> Stephan Johanne Wilhelm Steger
> Hellsgate resident
> _______________________________________________
> Ansteorra mailing list
> Ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> In order to make changes and manage your account please go to:
> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-ansteorra.org
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:53:29 -0600
From: "Susan O'Neal" <catmafia03 at gmail.com>
To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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My health has been a major limitor and I really appreciate being able
to keep up with what is happening. As to the events, Uillicc has hit
on something. I really don't care much about the tents, the chairs,
or whatever; but the fires make everything fall away and are where so
many of my best memories of events is. It is why if I am limited to
only part of an event to go; I will night trip it, as that has always
been where the magic is for me.
Susan, who misses being able to do more
On 1/30/13, Uillicc <uilliacc at gmail.com> wrote:
> The cost of getting there-- fuel prices-- has an impact on the number of
> events many of us can get to... There are some solutions to that, but
> it is a major factor.
>
> As far as atmosphere, I don't think you can over-estimate the effect
> that being under a burn-ban for the last 10 years has had on what people
> take away from events... 10-12 years ago, if you asked our kids what
> the SCA smelled like-- leather and wood smoke were some of the first
> answers... This missing element has impacted the bardic element fairly
> hard it seems... And in firelight it is easy not to notice a mundane
> chair, or tent lying at the edge of the campsite.
>
> As far as the newness wearing off... it does... It gets where the
> really special moments are farther in between... That's because we get
> a little jaded. It's easy to try and blame all sorts of things that
> other people do for us becoming jaded, but it is always really our
> problem... Finding happiness always relies more on what is going on
> inside of us than outside of us...
>
> Wishing for wetter weather,
> uillecc
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:02:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Alviscin <alviscin at aol.com>
To: ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] ideas... long
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I have been is the SCA for a lifetime, since 1974, and everyone has great
ideas. What we need is for everyone to act on those ideas. Don't wait, just
do what you think works best. Start now. Just as we have different
interests, we see different viewpoints. Do your thing. Sing, dance, fight,
be friendly to all , reward, welcome, talk, make banners. Do it, all of you
and have fun while you do.The hospitaller is everyones duty and pleasure.
People join to have fun so let's do it. Ayesha de Warwick
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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:17:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Hillary Greenslade <hillaryrg at yahoo.com>
To: ansteorra <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Why I Joined was ideas was Presentation at
Round Table
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Astridr said:
"I might offer a ride to someone I don't know very well, and I have offered
crash space, but I still won't accept either from anyone I've known less
than a year, or crash at a home I haven't previously visited. Maybe I'm just
a control-freak though. "
?
Actually, your choice is a wise one, no need to apologize for it.? However,
if you choose to:
Offer?a ride to someone you don't know well, perhaps make sure you have
other folks in the car with you that you do know well.
?
Offer or accept crash space from folks I don't know well - in the past, I've
contact folks I do know from that branch to check that person out to make
sure they are good folks,?or get a recommendation from someone that does
know them.? Then I make sure that other people know I have guests in my home
and who they are, as well as to let the guests know that other folks know
they are staying with me.? That's some things a Crash Space Coordinator can
also do.? And once your guests have stayed at your home, they can offer
their home to you in return, for events in their region.
?
While the SCA is built on honor, courtesy and chivalry; we live in a modern
world and it's always wise to be cautious.?? But, offering rides and space
to other SCA'ers is a way to also build new and lasting friends.??
?
Cheers, Hillary
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