[Ansteorra] ideas... long

Wed Jan 30 11:24:24 PST 2013

I wasn't being mean or rude.  I know not everyone fits into what I was
saying; I am talking about those i have actually heard using this as a way
to not leave the comfort of their own home.  I also do not think this
technology is a big reason, but one of the MANY reasons I have, again,
actually heard people say has caused the atmosphere to not be what they
want in a recreation society.

What would help get you to events more?

Katrine

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Chelsea Durham <baby_sis_83 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Being one of those that has to miss events because of money or other
> obligations I cannot ever recall saying to myself "I don't have to go
> because people will post it all on Facebook." I'm not sure how many younger
> people with kids are in the SCA but I have kid obligations that keep me
> away from events. I find the use of technology to be an advantage. I don't
> believe that technology use is what is keeping numbers low.
> -Grainne
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:55 PM, "Irena Fridenberg" <
> rubberduckiemom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree with Tina.  I believe the technology of today's
> > world is starting to harm some aspects of our society.  If you look at
> > events you will see many people with their smartphones out taking
> > photos, videos and phone calls.  There seems to be a lack of
> > consideration for the atmosphere we want to achieve.
> >
> > Because of this issue I am seeing many reasons for our lower event
> > attendance.  I would like to address two of this issues: lack of
> > courtesy and the non-event eventer.  Please know when I use the word
> > "Society" I am meaning the SCA.
> >
> > Our modern society has lost most of the idea of courtesy and it has
> > flowed into the SCA. We, modern society, are a "me, me, me" and a "I
> > want it now" group. I feel, because of this, we do not care about
> > putting others out as long as we are given pleasure ourselves. I know
> > I am guilty of pulling out my phone to take notes during court, photos
> > to share with friends, and text to let others know who has received
> > what awards.  Even though I am doing it for a good cause and can use
> > the excuse "if they had these during the middle ages, they would have
> > used them" is harming the atmosphere more than helping our Society.
> >
> > Our Society needs to work on hiding the modern conveniences, if not
> > leaving some of them at home. Granted, I am not willing to leave the
> > flush toiletry, air conditioning and running water at home; however, I
> > can leave the Kindle, the radio, CD player or laptop at home. If I
> > feel I just have to have them with me, I should either leave them
> > locked in the car or find ways to disguise them. There are many ways
> > to make a special covering for the Kindle, Nook, or iPad.  Stay.com
> > has many books converted or wooden boxes to be used as a disguise for
> > your modern conveniences. Not only does it help to give atmosphere,
> > but it will help take your mind off the modern.
> >
> > The second thing I suggest is an issue for our lower attendance is
> > what I call the non-event eventer.  Because of issues such as lack of
> > funds, work schedule, being busy we have many people who are not able
> > to attend.  The good thing about the modern technology is that those
> > who can't attend events are able to attend through photos, live video
> > feeds, and Facebook.  However, because of these we do not feel we need
> > to attend events to be "there".  So why even make the trip?  Why spend
> > the time packing and preparing to spend three days and two nights
> > without our comforts of home when we can get all the latest news asap
> > because others are posting everything as soon as it happens. This is
> > causing us to not feel a NEED of being there.   It is easier to stay
> > in contact with our friends on Facebook when we originally were able
> > to see them at events.
> >
> > Why not stop posting immediate information, photos and live
> > videos/video feed of events until after events?  I use to regret
> > missing an event, but now I know I can click a link and get
> > up-to-the-minute stimulation enabling me to feel as if I am part of
> > the event and never have to attend. Let's call people out (politely)
> > when they are being discourteous with the modern items at events, park
> > the cars in the proper parking lot, and teach-encourage-provide items
> > to help make the event atmosphere better.  I believe if we work on
> > these things it will help bring people back.  It isn't the whole
> > answer, but it might be a start.
> >
> > In service,
> > Lady Katrine la Escolpiera
> >
> >
> >
> > Tina Michael <tinabetta at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It reminds me of the movie Wall-e, where everyone is so dependant on the
> > technology they had forgotten how to live and enjoy living. I am kind of
> a
> > technophobe, even though I am using it now, teehee, I hate it. I don't
> keep
> > my cell phone stapled to me at events and never want to be that
> > "connected". I come to events to disconnect from the modern world and
> > retreat to a simpler time where we were more in touch with the world and
> > the people in it. We have gotten so used to communicating with each other
> > through technology we are losing the ability to relate personally. Very
> > sad, don't you think?
> >
> > Tina
> > old fashioned girl
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> greetings
> >>
> >> well thought out and well said  : )
> >>
> >>
> >> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> >> Arthur
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dragonetti" <
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> >> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org
> **>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:01 AM
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> >>
> >> Greetings from Baron Armand Dragonetti,
> >>>
> >>> First, I applaud the crown's effort to acknowledge and highlight this
> >>> problem and to take a systematic approach to analyze and address it. It
> >>> is a
> >>> serious problem without a simple solution. (Otherwise it would have
> >>> already
> >>> been corrected.)
> >>>
> >>> IMHO, declining attendance is the result of numerous contributing
> factors.
> >>> Tight finances in a poor economy. Too much modern familiarity
> diminishes
> >>> the
> >>> experience for many as well. Some have indicated lack of recognition
> after
> >>> many years of effort. Others simply burn out after too much "drama" or
> too
> >>> much "work". Personally, I suspect the "aging" of the SCA plays a large
> >>> role.
> >>>
> >>> As a new player, I was excited about the "magic", the potential for
> honor
> >>> and chivalry that I found lacking in modern life. When the SCA was
> >>> relatively young, the majority of players were new. Over time, veteran
> >>> players who achieved some manner of recognition tended to stay active.
> >>> Those
> >>> who did not, tended to move on to other things. So over time, you see a
> >>> room
> >>> full of "hats" and fewer and fewer without "hats". A very different
> "look"
> >>> than those nostalgic early days. A new participant sees a "long road
> >>> ahead"
> >>> to ever attain similar stature, since they quickly learn that a peerage
> >>> or a
> >>> hat tends to come after a long period of time. By definition such
> >>> achievers
> >>> are now older; a veteran with many experiences on their resume.
> >>>
> >>> Naturally, these folks tend to be chosen to lead local groups and
> autocrat
> >>> large events, so as not to waste resources with an unseasoned leader's
> >>> ideas/plans that may have proven unsuccessful in the "early days",
> >>> ironically, by those same veterans.
> >>>
> >>> The fun in the good-ole-days of the early SCA was produced by a much
> less
> >>> experienced crew of younger leaders, pioneering the game for us. (The
> >>> pioneering itself was much of the "fun" that gets remembered.) Not to
> be
> >>> discriminatory, but what do you suppose was the average age of a
> >>> Baron/Baroness in the 1970's or 1980's as compared to the average age
> of
> >>> today's leaders?
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest that older folks, with kids, mortgages, etc, tend to
> be a
> >>> little less "silly" than they were before acquiring those
> >>> responsibilities.
> >>> However, silly often equates to fun.
> >>>
> >>> It also occurs to me that it is much easier to stay in persona with a
> >>> stranger or newcomer than with your friend of 15+ years. As a long time
> >>> friend, I'm likely to be more interested in what's going on with you in
> >>> your
> >>> modern life. How's your job? Your kids? Your thoughts on the latest
> movie,
> >>> etc. For a stranger or newcomer, I'm interested in your impression of
> the
> >>> SCA and am excited to talk about all it has to offer and to impart
> >>> whatever
> >>> medieval education I feel knowledgeable on.
> >>>
> >>> The creep of the modern-world that diminishes our game is very much the
> >>> result of aging participants. It will take a conscious, extra effort to
> >>> thwart this effect. And may require purposely choosing some younger,
> less
> >>> experienced leaders, if nothing more than to give a little "hope" to
> the
> >>> newcomers that do manage to find us. And who knows, they might be a
> little
> >>> silly and create a little more "fun" that brings in other, young/new
> >>> participants.
> >>>
> >>> Just a few random thoughts off the top of me noggin,
> >>> Bloody Baron Armand Dragonetti
> >>>
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