[Ansteorra] Question in general

Sat Jul 20 08:41:26 PDT 2013

     Do 'it' because you love 'it', whatever 'it' is. Don't do it for the
hope of reward, but for the joy of it and you will not be made unhappy. If
you find someone that can teach you more about your 'it', get others valued
opinions to see if they agree with your idea and approach the teacher.
Perhaps they will see a willing student and take you on, or be flattered
and take you on, either way if you are hungry for knowledge you will learn.
If others see in you that spark that makes a peer it will happen but if you
let the hunger for recognition make you crazy and override your hunger to
learn, they will see that too and question your motives.
     I was apprenticed to Countess Dulcia McPherson in Trimaris and she
told me above all else, relax, enjoy the process, be yourself and learn
everything there is to learn. I have been here for 5 years now, tempus
fugit, and I have been in no hurry to attain a goal, though the time is
coming soon to seek a new teacher to help me nurture my art, most of all I
have done what I love to do and it shows. Recognition is wonderful, being a
performer I thrive on it, we are kind of needy and love to be petted and
praised, but even if I never got another award or heard another kudo I
would never stop doing what I do. It is like breathing to me, if I stop, I
die.

Lady Augusina Elizabetta da San Germano aka Tina
Former Fool of Namron
Former Minstrel of the Eclipse Moonschadowe
Former Jester to Queen Ayla and King Martin of Trimaris
Former Baronial Bard of Darkwater
and a whole bunch of other stuff that was pretty cool

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Ld.blackmoon <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:

> greetings
>
> thank you ; )
>
> not that i can forsee the future , but anyone with eyes should be able to
> see that you do more than aspire .
> how many years as hospitaler did you not just sit back and wait for demo
> opportunities to magicly appear , but went out and found them ? then found
> people to come out and show off their knowledge / arts / skills ,
> so that we might interest new people in joining ??
> even the current " revels in the park " are some of your work ( along with
> ciana, another of those " worker bees" that is constantly working ) which
> should be attracting interested new people.
>
> anyway, something i forgot to add to my response to master ainars question
> , was that it is also the populaces responsibility to turn in award
> recomendations for all levels of awards ( even peerages )  the crowns can
> not be in all places at all times.
> ( neither can landeds )
> they need your help in finding qualified people to give awards to. if you
> believe that someone deserves a certain award, and they don't recieve it
> from the current crown, try again with the next and so on.
> ( and tell your friends , so that if they agree , they too can send in
> award recs ) i don't believe that award recomendations " stack up " i'm
> pretty sure that you need to re submit the award recomendations every time
> a new crown steps up to serve in that position.
>
>
>
> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
> Arthur
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tega2" <montega2 at gmail.com>
>
> To: "Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org**>
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Question in general
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>
>  Arthur,
>> I can tell you now with full certainty that should you suddenly be absent
>> from this great and wonderful community, you would be greatly missed.
>> It is your passion and dedication that we can all learn from. Arthur, you
>> are truly a warrior of goodness and chivalry. Your humility and willingness
>> to serve, ever a beacon for Northkeep. Your deeds do not go unseen and as
>> your Baroness, I could not be more proud. People like you are the reason
>> our society thrives and it shall be known. I humbly thank you, and aspire
>> to be as such!
>>
>> Montega Blackdragon
>> Baroness of Northkeep
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 9:10 PM, "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>  greetings
>>>
>>> lets see..
>>> first, I believe that a peerage, any peerage, should be recognized as
>>> not just an honor, but also as a responsibility, a duty , and a commitment .
>>> people will emulate you , copy your behavior, and treat others as you
>>> do..... for good as well as for bad .....
>>> next, I believe that peers should be actively looking for and
>>> encouraging those people doing what they do ( service / work / a&s /
>>> research / etc. )
>>> anyway....
>>>
>>> Chivalry ,( Knights / Master at arms ) I feel that this is actually the
>>> easiest peerage to obtain. the heavy fighting community is in front of and
>>> part of the crowns activities at every event . making it easier for the
>>> crown to say " this person is ready "  even though by tradition, most
>>> knights or those wishing to attain that goal, have had to travel all over
>>> the kingdom so that the hopeful fighter can be " seen " by all the current
>>> members ,( although , this seems to have been replaced with " how many wars
>>> does this person attend " ) without the current members needing to travel
>>> as much. but there is often unseen , another quality of the members of the
>>> chivalry.... ( no, not the all night partying ),  I have seen many knights
>>> , go out of their way to assist people in need ( both in the sca, and
>>> mundanely ), especially if they can do it without a lot of fanfare .they
>>> often can be seen teaching, getting new and returning people into armor ,
>>> if that is the persons desire. so
>>>
>>  I would say chivalry peerage = mastering at least one weapon style,
>> while being knowledgeable about many others, service , both in front of and
>> behind the scenes, being at ease in the presence of other peers, teaching ,
>> not just squires, but everyone, being humble enough to work gate / privy
>> patrol, etc. right alongside a nubie.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Laurel , laurels are often seen as the " all knowing " peers , but on
>>> occasion , I have seen laurels tear a nubies a & s entry to bits , with
>>> nothing but negatives, instead of explaining what they found " bad " or why
>>> it was bad , about the entry, or giving any place to start learning to do a
>>> " better " job next time. don't get me wrong, I have also seen very in
>>> demand laurels leave notes, or point people towards references, or even
>>> tell the entrant  to " get with them later " where they spend a lot of time
>>> teaching entrants how to improve some or all aspects of entries. time they
>>> could be visiting friends, or partying, or even just relaxing. it seems to
>>> me that ( and I'm probably wrong on this ) to become a laurel, you have to
>>> travel all over the kingdom, you have to be some laurels " student " and
>>> you have to give up anything except researching, teaching,  making , and
>>> entering a&s competitions. and then, if your lucky , a group of laurels
>>> will decide that you are almost
>>>
>>  as good at something as they are, ( after multiple years as a peer ) ,
>> and vote to recommend you to the crown to become a laurel.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pelican , pelicans are probably the most " hidden " peers, they are
>>> everywhere, but you never know they are pelicans ( except in court ,
>>> because they wear their badges ; ) because they are the ones helping work
>>> gate, run privy patrols, fire patrols, helping in the kitchen, working
>>> offices, doing whatever it takes to keep the sca , and all its branches
>>> working . now , that said, there are also a lot of others out there doing
>>> the same things, that aren't now nor likely ever will be pelicans. as
>>> above, I'm probably wrong in this as well. but..
>>> to become a pelican you must travel all over the kingdom regularly, you
>>> must go to wars regularly, and spend most of those wars, working ,you must
>>> regularly hold full kingdom offices ( preferably in different areas ) , you
>>> must be some pelicans student , and pretty much give up any activity in the
>>> sca, except working . after enough time " being seen " working all over the
>>> kingdom, and at wars, then if your lucky, a group of pelicans will vote to
>>> recommend you to the crown to become a pelican.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.L.Q's  , all peerages look for plq's, but they are never " defined "
>>> they are left open to each peers interpretation. one peer may say your
>>> fully qualified to be a peer , another may say that you are an oaf, and
>>> need better manners, better clothes, a better persona,or " your food
>>> taster's underwear has the wrong thread count " etc. to me, plq's are more
>>> about manners,and how a person treats those around them . can you make
>>> someone feel important ? needed ? useful ? or do you have to be the one in
>>> the spotlight ?? take all the credit for a team effort ?? kind of glaring
>>> differences aren't they ???
>>>
>>> as far as " what kind of service counts " to become a pelican ??
>>> in many instances , I have been told that " I'm on the right track to
>>> one day become a pelican "  but I have no way of knowing if people are
>>> blowing smoke up my ... ummm, anyway.
>>> and after 30 + years in the sca, I just don't see it ever happening. for
>>> many reasons, over the past 10 years, I have survived on less than $4000.00
>>> a year. that means an ever reducing number of events I can attend,( and no
>>> wars ) , let alone having nice clothes.
>>> I have passed up applying for full kingdom offices, because I know I
>>> can't afford the travel . yet have worked as a kingdom deputy officer , a
>>> regional officer, and several baronial offices. but no pelican has deemed
>>> me to be worthy of  an invite to become their student . ( not that I could
>>> just walk away from my duties as an arc d'or, but being ask would have been
>>> nice )
>>> I have also heard that since I received my grant level award in archery
>>> , that everything I do relating to the missile community  , only counts as
>>> fulfilling the duties and obligations to that award, and only work not
>>> relating to the missile community counts towards a kingdom service award,
>>> or pelican. was I told wrong ? who knows, but it all remains a valid
>>> perception ..
>>> another reason is that I tend to try and do everything myself, instead
>>> of getting others to do them. and tend to push myself sometimes too far : (
>>> I'm still needed in the missile community , as an arc d'or ,I will
>>> always owe service to the missile community, as well as to the kingdom.
>>> does this mean that I " only " work in the missile community ? no , I
>>> work where ever I feel I can be of service, and do a good job. ( well that
>>> and where ever people tell me they need help ; )
>>> but I'm not positive that many people see anything but working at wars,
>>> or working  as kingdom officers as " service to the kingdom, or the
>>> society..
>>>
>>>
>>> just my 2 pence ( yes I got a loan )
>>>
>>> Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
>>> Arthur
>>> ps. the above is just my impression on how the different peerages work.
>>> not being a member of any of them, I can only guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Drake" <ainarm at cox.net>
>>> To: "'Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.'" <ansteorra at lists.ansteorra.org*
>>> *>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 2:05 PM
>>> Subject: [Ansteorra] Question in general
>>>
>>>
>>>  Would like some feedback from the non-peers out there.   As a general
>>>> question, what do you see as the requirements for membership into the
>>>> various peerage circles.  You can leave out that a Knight needs to be a
>>>> good
>>>> fighter, assume that part.  But what kind of service counts toward
>>>> being a
>>>> Pelican.  What level of service is needed?  What kind of art does a
>>>> Laurel
>>>> need to do?  What are those nebulous Peer Like Qualities that people
>>>> talk
>>>> about?
>>>>
>>>> I am asking the non-peers for this feedback because it has recently been
>>>> brought to my personal attention that we may not be recognizing service
>>>> when
>>>> we should and that this can discourage new people.  So I hear from other
>>>> peers what they think their standards are.  For those of you trying to
>>>> get
>>>> into the circles, what do you see as what you need to accomplish to get
>>>> there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Master Ainar Magnusson OP
>>>>
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