Trishka Makowski wrote about Marthe de Blenkinsop's comments: "I find it strange that it's not considered period... the Germans have been making Porcelain for at least 500 years... In Dresdin I think.. I'll have to double check. I learned this in my German language class.. It may be late in period, but it was in period. " This is not entirely correct. Although the Chinese had been making porcelain since the 7th century at least, and it had been obtained in Europe by trade since the Crusades, it was not until the end of the 17th century when manufacturing of true porcelain (soft frit porcelain) started in St Cloud, France. The formula for hard porcelain (almost identical to Chinese porcelain) was discovered in 1709 by Johann Friedrich Bottger (umlauts over the o) in Meissen, Saxony where it was kept a closely guarded secret. Prior to this time, Europeans made many only partially successful attempts to reproduce porcelain. Many of these attempts would be very hard for anyone other than an expert to distinguish. I would like to say that it was due to the technological prowess of the Chinese, my persona, that they made it earlier but in truth, my mundane persona as a Ph.D. clay mineralogist makes me say that it was because they had a deposit of a fortuitous composition. Reference: Rada, Pravoslav. 1989. Ceramic techniques, Hamlyn Publ. Group, London. HL Jin Liu Ch'ang a.k.a. Norman White email:gn-white@tamu.edu ============================================================================ To be removed from the Ansteorra mailing list, please send a message to Majordomo@Ansteorra.ORG with the message body of "unsubscribe ansteorra".