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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That is precisely what we did – I knew
the metal wasn’t red hot when it went in…and now I remember the big
barrel of water – it has been years since I have seen our old forge…and
about 6 since I have done any smithing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thank you for explaining it to me<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Little Kris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ron Hardy</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 02, 2006 10:33
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Ansteorra</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Ansteorra]
Blacksmithing q's</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>For those following this
discussion let me explain. "Quenching" is generally considered
to be the cooling of hot metal to cool metal for a number of reasons. Sometimes
quenching metal that is heated to red will harden it (assuming it has enough
carbon content), sometimes it's just so you can handel it. The oil finish your
talking about is sometimes used as a finish to keep the metal from rusting a
bit and will help darken it some as well. On a decrotive piece, motor oil might
be used. On an eating utinsel, edible oils might be used. It is a semi durable
finish that can be repeated if nessary. It is much like seasoning an iron
skillet before cooking your corn bread with it. The metal is heated to a low
"black" heat and dipped in the oil or the oil is rubbed on until the
piece stops smoking. If the piece is to hot the oil can and often does burst
into flames- an oil fire. For general blacksmithing use water for cooling and
then the oil if you want.<br>
<br>
Fritz<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Lady Valkyrie <lady-valkyrie@sbcglobal.net><br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName>"
<ansteorra@lists.ansteorra.org><br>
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 9:33:18 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hmmm I believe he used olive or vegetable oil, perhaps they are less<br>
volatile - we made a lot of food type items...spoons, ladles, knives, and<br>
other camping equipment in a 17th century style forge. It was in a
deep<br>
pot. I am not saying his way was necessarily right - just that it
was how I<br>
learned to do it. So then, I know using the oil blackens the metal
and<br>
keeps away rust very well. How do y'all do that without the oil -
without<br>
using those nasty stove black sprays? Or does quenching it do that
anyways<br>
- regardless of what it is quenched in...I am clueless on this matter, and<br>
not likely to jump right in uninformed as I am merely crazy - not insane...<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for the advice everyone, <br>
Little Kris<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org<br>
[mailto:ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Lisa<br>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:00 PM<br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ansteorra</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName><br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's<br>
<br>
My Lady, my husband worked a forge for years before he ended up in a<br>
wheelchair, and is trying to figure out how to get back into it safely, but<br>
he often speaks about quenching hot iron in water with an equal layer of old<br>
motor oil. He also emphasizes the need for care while quenching hot metal<br>
even with this combination.<br>
<br>
Elizabeta of Rundel<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Lady Valkyrie" <lady-valkyrie@sbcglobal.net><br>
To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Ron Hardy</st1:PersonName>'"
<rhemail@swbell.net>; "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ansteorra</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>
- SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName>'"<br>
<ansteorra@lists.ansteorra.org><br>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:43 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's<br>
<br>
<br>
> Thank you good sir, for the warning, I have indeed seen some of the risks<br>
> involved, but the blacksmith I learned from for years used this method to<br>
> protect the metal from rusting. I do not believe we ever put
red hot<br>
metal<br>
> in, but just hot metal. It always created a lasting finish on
the metal,<br>
> and his teacher did the same. I know that if the metal is too
hot, it can<br>
> cause a problem..but I will be happy to call you and discuss at further<br>
> length the risks involved.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Little Kris<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> _____<br>
><br>
> From: ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org<br>
> [mailto:ansteorra-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Ron Hardy</st1:PersonName><br>
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 8:32 PM<br>
> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ansteorra</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> - SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName><br>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Good lady please call me before you start quenching hot metal in oil. It<br>
has<br>
> a real possibility of creating a large fire. I am an amature blacksimth<br>
and<br>
> also create and sell blacksmith oreinted videos (sorry for the plug) and<br>
> will be happy to help. I however do not type and so long answers on email<br>
> don't work for me.<br>
> Master Fritz<br>
> (214) 821-1223<br>
> <a href="http://www.teachingtapes.net" target="_blank">www.teachingtapes.net</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message ----<br>
> From: Stefan li Rous <StefanliRous@austin.rr.com><br>
> To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.</st1:PersonName>"
<ansteorra@lists.ansteorra.org><br>
> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2006 12:28:45 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra] Blacksmithing q's<br>
><br>
> On Jun 1, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Lady Valkyrie wrote:<br>
> > I have a couple questions for those on the list who have
blacksmithing<br>
> > experience.<br>
><br>
> > My skills, pardon the pun, are rusty, but I miss working iron and<br>
> > steel. If<br>
> > anyone knows where I can obtain these things - I would appreciate it.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you all,<br>
> > Little Kris<br>
><br>
> I have forwarded your message to a blacksmithing friend in the East<br>
> Kingdom who can probably answer all the questions you are asking<br>
> here. There are also several blacksmithing mail lists available, some<br>
> of which have a number of SCA members on them.<br>
><br>
> You might also find some of the files in the CRAFTS section of the<br>
> Florilegium useful, such as:<br>
>
Blacksmithing-bib (4K) 2/24/03 "Medieval
Blacksmithing<br>
> Bibliography"<br>
>
by Master Tamlene ap Guidgen,<br>
> O.L.<br>
> blacksmithing-msg
(49K) 7/15/05 Blacksmithing, forges, tools.<br>
>
blksm-anvils-msg (36K) 1/26/99 Blacksmithing
anvils. sources.<br>
>
blksm-forges-msg (37K) 8/24/98 Blacksmithing
forges. sources.<br>
> blksm-welding-msg (23K) 3/25/97 Forge
welding. fluxes.<br>
> bladesmithing-msg (62K) 7/25/04 Steel
sources, making knives and<br>
> swords.<br>
> Forg-Cnstrctn-art (18K) 4/28/02 "A
Simple Portable Brake Drum Forge"<br>
>
by Master Magnus Malleus.<br>
><br>
> Stefan<br>
> --------<br>
> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn
Gwlad <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Kingdom</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ansteorra</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><br>
> Mark S.
Harris <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Austin</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State></st1:place><br>
> StefanliRous@austin.rr.com<br>
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: <a
href="http://www.florilegium.org" target="_blank">http://www.florilegium.org</a>
****<br>
><br>
><br>
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