Well said Cairen. I remember when it was a sort of game to cover mundanities and create period things and find period stuff to do. I am a Laurel and believe that we need documentation for contests, but I don't think we need to expect to have paper documentation for the hand work we are doing at the list. In the old days we would go out and get a little bit data and share and that was fun. I just found a 1450 painting that has a lady in a black and white dress cut in stripe that go at a slant. I never seen this before. It is not my period, but I am looking for someone to share it with. It would certainly blow some people's minds. Learning is fun. When did we make it unfun? Willow de Wisp