Dear folks I would like to mention that injuries do not all ways come from being hit to hard. You can have equipment failure and you can have stupidity of the fighter. For example, I knocked myself out at an early Atenveldt Warlord because i wanted to do a good death and threw myself head first into the ground. For those who remember I was in an early Simon style helm. It was heavy steel but it wasn't intended to protect me hitting the earth. To make it worst Duke Sir Koris, who was training me follow my suit and did the same thing at the next Atenveldt Crown. willow de wisp