ARCH - Another name

[Bob Dewart]

Well I'm befuddled.  I get told that we don't need an award because we don't
have the community like the other martial art folks.  Ok, we'll work on
that.  I come up with an idea that will makes us more simular.  I don't
know.......???????

On the way in to work the "what to call them" hit, Bowman.  I started
thinking of the cerimony and I got teary eyed.  But then, I'm a toasted
marshmellow any way; crusty on the outside and pure gooo on the inside.

Personnally I think it's a pretty good idea.  I'm sure that not all Knights,
Don, Pelicans and Laurels have special  pupils.  But  I'm also pretty sure
most, if not all of them, would teach you something if you asked them for
the information.

I guess this might come under the heading of a convention.  :)  I don't
recall every reading in the laws and such about taking cadets, squires,
protoges, apprentices.  They just do it becuse that's the way it's done.
Near as I can tell there not a minimum or max nuber you can take.

I don't know about that can't teach without the proper credientals thing.
Your deeds and word are your proper credientals.  When you start flappin
your gumms, folks will know if you know what you're talking about.  They'll
also know when you don't.  Rank isn't always an indication of expertise in
an area.  Particularlly if your rank isn't in that area.  I'll be the first
to tell you I don't know every thing about archery.  In fact, I don't know
what I don't know about archery.  I'm learning too.  What I know and what I
can do, I want to pass on.

But I think we got to start some where; at some point, with some one.
Granted I don't get around to very many events.  But I don't ever recall a
non belt announcing taking someone to train, etc, etc.  I also don't
remember any archer doing it either.

I think there should be a special relationship between the teacher and
student.  The cerimony is the public commitment of both parties to go down
the learning eperience path together.

Our award system is what it is and we gotta work with it.  Yes I do have
award issues.  But untill those are no longer, let's also include in that
group of folks who may take a "Bowman" those who also have one of the
various Kingdom awards that skills archery and its related fields have been
pigeoned holed into for years.

OK, I've rabbled enough.

Gilli

-----Original Message-----
From: N.D. Wederstrandt <nweders at mail.utexas.edu>
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: ARCH - Another name


>>Greetings and Hi There,
>>
>>A while back on this list someone brought up taking students.  That
thought
>>has been in the back of mind and has finnally come up for air.  Here is my
>>basic very changeable sugestion.  Untill we get a higher level award,
those
>>people who have been awarded the King's Archer may take students.  (In
>>reality, any one can teach if they have someone willing to learn what they
>>have to teach them).  Hopefully a  relationship such as a Don  to a Cadet
or
>>a Knight to a Squire or a Pelican to a Protege  or a Laurel to an
>>Apprentise.  My only problem is what spiffy thing do we call these
students.
>
> ****WARNING  very strong opinion. (me strong opinion???)*******
>
> Anyone may take someone as a student or an apprentice.  You don't
>have to be a King's Archer, a Laurel or a Pelican, Squire or Don.  If you
>have something to teach and you want to teach then by all means teach.  You
>don't have to be in a superior position to teach someone.    Some Laurels,
>Pelicans and etc.  don't take them formally for a lot of different reasons.
>Some of my best teachers are people who are not anything "offical" .
>Almost everyone I'm learning archery from doesn't have any award for
>archery.
>
> To encourage this concept  could be harmful.  I'm sorry Gilli, I
>don't mean to sound critical or harsh or mean but it sets upa really bad
>precedent that I find annoying.  I don't approve of it in either the
>Laurels or the rest of the Peers.  It promotes the concept that you can't
>teach without the proper credientals and I don't think that's true...... It
>prpomotes a really skewed system of thinking you have to have this before
>you can do this.  It's getting to be where one can't be considered for a
>Laurel without being an Apprentice which I find objectionable.  I think
>it's not a idea to promote.
>
> I am a student to a fighter who is not a Knight and I wouldn't
>chosse anyone else to work with -- I don't care what I'm called.  (He calls
>me a lot especially when I do something dumb).
>
> I know you have issues about awards for archers and I will be happy
>to sit down at some event and listen but I really think this isn't a good
>suggestion.  We should work towards a community that teaches each other as
>companions, partners and friends.  Personal relationships (student/teacher)
>will occur naturally.
>
>Regards,
>
>Clare
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