ARCH - Ranking System

Talon blackoak at balista.com
Fri Jul 14 21:38:42 PDT 2000


Hello Melanie de la Croix
It is I lord Talon of Blackoak
I am glad you enjoyed yourself and the Archery Shoot.
Was that Baron Talmon you referring to or myself?
Gilli did have an Archery shoot over the weekend.
I am glad you want to shoot more.
Have fun
Lord Talon of Blackoak

-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Black <thanatos at cityscope.net>
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Date: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: ARCH - Ranking System


>I agree 1000% with what Eadric has to say here.
>
>I think in all the years I have shot archery in the SCA I have submitted an
>official score like once maybe. I enjoy archery, its fun. I do like to gain
>skill with practice as well.
>I had not shot in like maybe two years until this last July 4th I happened
>to go to sort of an informal SCA party where they were doing equestrian and
>archery. I went to simply watch, but was encouraged to pick up a loaner bow
>and sheet a few rounds.
>I started with the 20 yard rage, borrowing a bow from a very pleasant
fellow
>there.
>I shot a 13 with the first six arrows, then a 19.  I decided to switch to
>the 30 yard range but to my dismay the bow I was borrowing had  too much of
>the heat of the day and one of the limbs began to come apart, so a borrowed
>a different bow from Baron Talmon, but did rather poorly and only got a 9
>then a 2 on the 30 yard range.  Then the rain came..
>
>I am going to dig my bow out of storage and see if the arrows are still
>intact.
>I think most of my arrows are either aluminum or fiberglass. are those
>allowed at all?
>The bow I believe is a 30# fiberglass recurve (one of those red ones).
>
>Well, anyway I was told I shot rather well for being out of practice.  Well
>anyway my point is that with a "ranking" system beginners definitely get
>labeled as beginners and that can be intimidating in itself. I think gentle
>encouragement and rewarding achievement are much better than browbeating
and
>guilt trips on people who don't go gung ho into it.
>
>Melanie de la Croix
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Eadric Anstapa <smills at barley.scabrewer.com>
>To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 4:06 PM
>Subject: Re: ARCH - Ranking System
>>
>> Can we try to stay positive here and not say pessimistic
>> things like "Does it really matter"?  I think is would be
>> better to encourage people to shoot rather than berate
>> them for not shooting or to be pessimistic because only
>> one person has submitted enough scores so far for an
>> complete average.
>>
>> Lets face it many people have no desire to compete and as
>> strange as it may seem some don't even have a desire to
>> keep score.  Some people are too intimidated to shoot for
>> score or to compete and sometimes it seems like that the
>> feeling in this forum is that if you are not going to
>> compete in the IKAC/IKCAC or participate as a combat
>> archer in the wars then you are not really needed or
>> wanted.  I have also read and heard comments like "I
>> didn't help the kingdom average"  or "No need to submit
>> the scores because it wouldn't help the kingdom
>> average".  This is entirely too much emphasis on
>> IKAC/IKCAC.  Personally, I feel we need to promote
>> personal achievements.  I have personal goals set because
>> they are meaningful for me and will help me enjoy this
>> game more.  I hope that in meeting my goals I can help
>> other people enjoy the game a bit more also.
>>
>> As bizarre as this sounds, perhaps the best archer in our
>> canton won't even keep score.  He comes out at shoots at
>> most practices and shoots a LOT when he does show up but
>> he wont keep score.  I watched him closely last weekend
>> and I think he might have a 60 Roryal Round average if we
>> kept score.  Score or not we want him to continue to show
>> up and enjoy himself and share our fellowship.  His goals
>> for archery are different than my own
>>
>> Let me say that I am against calling what we hare trying
>> to put in place a "Ranking" system.  I don't like the
>> idea that someone should feel out-ranked or that because
>> someone is a "Marksman" and another a "Bowman" that
>> someone should feel that the Marksman should be in charge
>> or have precedence at the range.
>>
>> If we attach names to the various levels I would prefer
>> to call this an "Achievement" system.  I thought this was
>> also the concensus of those gathered at Gilli's on July 1.
>>
>> The whole purpose of an achievement system is to
>> encourage people to shoot and to encourage them in a
>> positive manner.  The purpose should not be to rank
>> individuals against one another (but I realize despite
>> better intentions it will happen anyway).
>>
>> If a person sees that their average is just a few points
>> shy of the next achievement level, then that is positive
>> encouragement for them to shoot a little more and work
>> just a little harder to reach that next level.  When they
>> do, someone once again gives some positive reinforcement
>> by presenting them with appropriate tassels for them to
>> display.
>>
>> With or without a system of defined achievement levels in
>> place Iaen and I will have Royal Round averages on the
>> web next week.  For those who have not yet submitted
>> three scores their current average will be posted but
>> will be marked as incomplete.  Once we get this going and
>> scores are being submitted regularly we will stop posting
>> the incomplete averages.
>>
>> Marshals, if you have been in charge of any shoot this
>> calendar year and still have records for Royal Rounds
>> scores that Iaen does not have please email then to him
>> ASAP.
>>
>> In Service,
>>
>> Eadric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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