ARCH - New Period Rules

HL Agnarr Thorvaldsson agnarr at apex2000.net
Mon Jul 17 00:10:09 PDT 2000


Gilli:  Why is it that unless something in archery in this Kingdom either
comes from God or YOU alone then it is crap?  Thanks, I really needed your
"constructive" comments after trying for almost three years and six reigns
to even getting the Crown, Kingdom Seneschal, Earl Marshal, and Kingdom
Archery Marshall to all agree on what should be in a handbook much less
saying; "This handbook works. Send it to the masses."

For all of you others on this list that do not know the history of this
handbook here is the short version.

The first edition of this proposed handbook was first given to the
respective powers: (Kingdom Sene, Earl Marshal, Archery Marshal and Crown)
way back in the first part of Duke Jean Richards reign.  Anyway to make a
long narritive short;  after several revisions and being told the following:
        * That it was on a back burner due to a more serious Kingdom Matter.
(Barn and Kats reign.)
        * That the New Kingdom Archery Marshal (Ld Corwin) would make
revisions Since no one was hearing from Don Sebastian at the time.
(Gunther and Sara reign)
        * Ld Corwin He said he had no problems with it at the time but
wanted to see what changes were coming from Society level.
(Gunther and Sara's reign)
        * That it would be looked at more Seriously once we got a new King
and Queen since we would be getting new Kingdom Officers.
(Daffid and Octavia reign.)

    Do I need to continue with the constant delays that I recieved as to why
it was not to be diseminatted at any particular time.  Even when they ALL
said to me that something like this should have ALREADY happened for
archery.

     Gilli: You, Talon  and I talked about this same handbook.  That was
finally proposed three years ago this Gothic War.  I even went and had two
copies made during that event,  so you and him could further edit it and
give some feedback.  SIr Karl asked me to get your and Talons input.(since
no one was hearing from Don Sabastian.)  I asked but never heard from you
till now on this handbook.

      I was finally told by Sirt Kief the Kindgom Earl Marshal that I could
give it out to the branches at this years Coronation after I made some more
revisions.  I did the revisions in a week and he approved it for
distribution at Bonwicke 12th night.   And that is what I did.   These were
first ready for distribution to the local and regional archery marshals at
the last redtape in Tyler, Tx. What was handed out at this redtape were the
ones that the branches with warrented officers did not pick up.

    If I made some errors or typos in this book I will step up and
appologize. and I will make the necessary corrections and mail them to the
locals. Should the Kingdom Archery Marshal wish for me not to distribute
this handbook all he has to say is "don't."   But he hasn't said a word to
me on that.  In fact; Ld. Fearghus at Gulf Wars asked me how it was going on
getting the copies ready for redtape for distribution.

AS for a total revision by our current Kingdom Archery Marshal, or one in
the Future.  I say "Go for it and have lots of fun.  I sure as hell spent
enough time doing this one."   At least then all of our marshals will have
something to work with that is standardized,  instead of nothing which is
what they had before or having to go to several different places  to get the
information.  If they knew where to look since their was no Arcehry list for
Ansteorra until recently.  All I wanted to do was to combine all the
information into one handbook for the local or regional marshal, so that the
information was more easily available.

BTW  Gilli,  when I first mentioned to you almost 41/2 years ago about the
Idea for an Archery Handbook and asked for your ideas/suggestions on this
you sent me a disk with your thoughts and ideas. Remember? I do, I still
have the disk.  You stated that this info was stuff from your days as the
Kingdom Archery Marshal before you were fired from that office, because of a
matter on warrenting.   Well you know that I got some of the info in the
handbook  from you as well as others on what they thought should be in the
handbook.  So that is what I ran with. So if this handbook is crap then it
must be the same crap you taught me and others.

    Sorry it did not have your seal of approval Gilli. At the Coronation of
Sir Aleric and Kayliegh Drake, it had the approval of both Sir Keif, and
Master Fairborne.

HL Agnarr Thorvaldsson.

PS: Gilli. Incase you did not get the drift/tone whatever you choose of my
message. I did take your message as a personal flame upon myself after all
the work I put into the handbook.  .  I will take this conversation or any
further posting on this matter off this list with you.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Dewart <gilli at seacove.net>
To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: ARCH - New Period Rules


>If it's the same hand book that was shown at my archery shoot, it's only  a
>guide.  It doesn't mean a thing.  Lord Fearghus is working on things and
>that Handbook wasn't one of them.
>
>If it's the same bogus hand book I saw, it had combat arrows being 1 1/2 in
>diameter!!  What a load of crap!.  If that  were the real case, there
>wouldn't be a legal combat arrow in the Kingdom!!!!
>
>Go to ikac at dellarco.com this is the real rules for the IKAC.  What you
>looked at wasn't fit for toilet paper.  If it doesn't come from Fearhgus,
if
>it's not signed by him, the Earl Marshal and the Crown, throw it in the
>nearest dumpster.
>
>Gilli
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Powers <spowers at telepath.com>
>To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
>Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 9:12 PM
>Subject: ARCH - New Period Rules
>
>
>>I have been working on getting my Period IKAC equipment together for
>>several months.  First I downloaded the newest rules published on the SCA
>>IKAC site (updated March 2000) so I could be sure I knew what the
equipment
>>standards were.  Then I worked on aquiring equipment that was period and
>>fit those standards.  I got the bow done some time ago, but just now got
my
>>first "period" arrows made.  Today, I went to Wiesenfeuer's archery
>>practice to try out my new period arrows so I could shoot in the IKAC
>>Period Division and give Ansteorra some more scores.  Help the kingdom,
>>duty and all that...
>>
>>
>>
>>Then His Excellency Master Ulf showed up and mentioned that he had been
>>handed the new Archery Marshal's Handbook yesterday at the Red Tape
>>Meeting, and offerd to let me look at it.  In it I was surprised to see
>>that there were some rule changes pertaining to period IKAC equipment,
>>specifically:
>>
>>1) Minimum bow weight of 45 lbs.  This differs from the SCA wide rules in
>>that there is no minimum anywhere else.
>>
>>2) No shelves allowed.  This differs from the SCA wide rules in that those
>>rules allow no cut out.  I went to a lot of trouble to add strips of
>>leather around by period bow specifically to stay within the standards.
>>
>>3) Period bowstrings only.  Again, this differs from SCA wide rules that
>>allows modern strings.
>>
>>There were others too, but these were the ones that affect me the most.
>>
>>
>>
>>It occured to me that perhaps the SCA Keeper of the IKAC made this new
rule
>>and it applies to all kingdoms.  But I remember in the last letter that he
>>sent out that he was still considering whether to disallow fiberglass bows
>>for the period division.  At last consideration, he was not planning to
>>make that change for at least a year.  There was no mention of any other
>>rule changes.  So that could not be it.  Therefore, the appearance is that
>>the stricter rules applies only to Ansteorra.
>>
>>I understand the desire to foster more period archery.  My handmade self
>>bow longbow certainly looks period, acts period, and in fact, is period.
>>But it is not legal for period archery because of these new rules.
>>
>>
>>
>>In addition, I have some real concerns about this.
>>
>>1)  The IKAC is an Interkingdom competition in which kingdoms are ranked
>>against each other.  Why on Earth would you want to put Ansteorra at a
>>disadvantage to all the other kingdoms?
>>
>>2)  With the Crown pushing for more participation in archery, particularly
>>IKACs, why do we have new rules that discourage people from participating?
>>Rules that, apparently, no other kingdom has?
>>
>>3)  The 45 pound minimum will eliminate a great many archers from
>>competition because they simply can't pull a 45 lb bow.  Aside from that,
>>many people have already spent money on a bow they like and can't justify
>>spending more on another bow.  Moreover, I have seen many period
>>illustrations which showed women hunting with very light, flimsy bows.
How
>>can anyone argue that lighter weight bows are not period?
>>
>>
>>So what's the story?  Did I completely misread the rule book?  Are these
>>proposed rules only?  What's the deal?  I would hate to have to walk away
>>from Period IKACs because of this.  Let's get it straightened out.
>>
>>
>>
>>Baron Rumil Fletcher
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