ARCH - IKAC Period Division Rules was -- IntraAnsteorra Archery Competition standings

[Eadric Anstapa]

OK,  so now I am clear on where you get you information but not clear on the rules.  If you are correct in your interpretation then I submit that the IKAC rules need to be radically revised so that they are clear.

Also, I kinda wonder what the point is.  Self nocked arrows are EASY compared to a period bow.   I would argue that if you can go and buy one of the $30 Titan red fiberglass bows and shoot it in period division then the division should be abolished because you aren't shooting a bow that is even remotely period.

Gilli, are you sure you aren't miss-reading the statements in the April and May reports?  The quotes are: 

"At this time the period division rules allow fiberglass in the period bows, however I'm thinking of removing fiberglass from the period division next season. I'd like comments, please. "

and

"The fiberglass issue was not intended to be "mean." When the Period IKAC division was first introduced the only requirement was no plastic nocks. Bonuses were given to those who used and made period equipment to encourage their use. As the division matured and acquired a strong base of archers, the bonuses were dropped and the requirements for bow construction were enforced. As more documentation, tools, bowyers, fletchers and teachers are available to us, the requirements for the Period IKAC division will continue to mature. There will always be growing pains, but I will try to keep them to a minimum. 

With all that said, fiberglass will not be eliminated from the Period IKAC division next season nor in the foreseeable future. "


I don't see is saying anywhere that SOLID FIBERGLASS bows may be used.  What I read is the simple re-affirmation of the statement in the rules that says:   

"Fiberglass may be used as a substitute for horn and or sinew in the construction of period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol, etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center cut handles are allowed. The bow must have the appearance of a period laminate bow."

I don't read anywhere that it says that solid fiberglass bows can be used, and the fiberglass bows that I have seen you and Robert shoot certainly do NOT have the appearance of period laminate bows.

I have always understood that fiberglass may be used as part of the materials in a hand crafted bow as a substitutes for horn laminations.

Finally the statement in the rules:  

"Bows made from kits where the archer does the final tillering and finishing count as having made the entire bow. Laminate bows where the archer does the final assembling and tillering count."

Would leave one to believe that the desire is not only that you use a period style bow but that you use a period style bow that you fashioned yourself.  Why exactly is this statement on bow kits in the rules?  I would never question somebody shooting an obviously period style bow to see if they had done any of the work themselves. 

I am copying Giovanni on this thread and perhaps he will care to shed some light.

Regards,

Eadric

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at seacove.net>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: ARCH - IntraAnsteorra Archery Competition standings


> Greetings and Hi There,
> 
> Be not confussed anymore.
> 
> This is a porption of the Keepers April report  which can be found at
> ikac at dellarco.com
> 
> "At this time the period division rules allow fiberglass in the period bows,
> however I'm thinking of removing fiberglass from the period division next
> season. I'd like comments, please."
> 
> Yeap, they are solid fiberglass.  No unfair advantage, unless of course
> being in MY hands is one (Really Big Grin and eyes rolling)
> 
> If you have a plain jane, non center cut type, it's OK.
> 
> The biggest thing on the period division is the arrow.  It's got to be a
> self nocking arrow.  It can have a nock of bone, horn, another type of wood
> or even just a notch in the arrow shaft itself.  But no plastic.
> 
> BTW, Plachoya was shooting net to me at the time.  :)
> 
> Gilli
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eadric Anstapa <smills at barley.scabrewer.com>
> To: ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: ARCH - IntraAnsteorra Archery Competition standings
> 
> 
> >Bob Dewart <gilli at seacove.net> said:
> >>
> >> I used my 25lb fiberglas, Robert used a 30lb fiberglass, don't remember
> >> about Plachoya.  Robert also used my period self nock arrows.
> >>
> >
> >Those are solid fibreglass bows?
> >
> >OK I am confused.  I would have never used a fibreglass bow in the period
> >division and as a marshal/scorekeeper I would have never scored somebody in
> >the period division if they were using a fibreglass bow.
> >Yes I realize the rules say:
> >
> >"Period style recurves and longbows of any material are allowed."
> >
> >but it also says:
> >
> >"Construction materials should be mainly those that were used in period for
> >the making of that style of bow. Modern materials such as synthetic glues,
> >finishes, fibers (strings) or artificial sinew are allowed as long as their
> >use does not give an unfair advantage in performance over period
> materials."
> >
> >and:
> >
> >"Fiberglass may be used as a substitute for horn and or sinew in the
> >construction of period style recurve bows such as Arab, Turkish, Mongol,
> >etc., but no modern features such as full or partial center cut handles are
> >allowed."
> >
> >OK, so where in here does it allow the commercially produced fibreglass
> >bows?
> >
> >Plachoya, as out IKAC deputy is this something you should clarify with
> >Giovanni?  Should I allow people to use the comemrcially available
> fibreglass
> >bows to shoot a period division score?
> >
> >
> >So confused,
> >
> >Eadric


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