ARCH - History repeat itself

Dewart, Charles R. --G3 Contractor (Anteon Corp) Charles.Dewart at
Wed Apr 11 09:09:03 PDT 2001

Personal eye protection comes in several types; safety glasses, goggles,
lexan strips and wire mess.

While an ABD might have stopped or reduced the severity of the injury,
personnal eye protection would have prevented it.

The whole point of my arguement is this, if the issue is eye safety, then
protect the eyes from all penatrations.

Combatants don't have to wear it if CA isn't involed.

Plus we really should feel put upon here.  Almost every fighter is a walking
arsonal of things that can penatrate a helm; shield corners, the wings on
elbow and knee cups, etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Wilim Penbras [mailto:wilim.penbras at]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:36 AM
To: ansteorra-archery at
Subject: RE: ARCH - History repeat itself

No Problem on the Snippage.  I'll delete the rest since I only want to clear
up a few points.  Also Speaking as an Archer whose also Authorized as a
Heavy fighter and Marshal and yadayadayada...  There were several documented
and reported cases of people being injured by Grill penatration.  Not the
least of which was Sir Erika that missed losing her eye by about a quarter
of an inch.

I've adding a bird blunt to the nock end of a shaft takes an hour or so to
get used to then it's about the same.  maybe loose ten yards or so on range.
If Erika had been hit by that, Even though testing shoes the odds against it
happenings are increased about 10 fold, it would have caused bruising but
she wouldn't have had the sharp edge to scratch her eyeball.

And While waivers are great it doesn't actually protect anyone from lawsuit
except the SCA INC and her employees and officers.  We're very open to
lawsuit as the shooter.  We're generally protected from that as long as we
have met acceptable risk and such.  Basically if we know or think there's a
problem and don't do anything to address it then a person that got hit could
very easily have a case.  Maybe not a good one but a case none the less.

I don't know about you but if I can spend an extra $.50 an arrow and reduce
the risk of people getting hurt and me getting sued than I think I just
might do that.

I'll tell you here and now that you're right about Safety glasses or lexan
being potentially dangerous.  I will not be using them anytime soon.

Just another .02 worth,

PS We can talk more at Business Meeting if you make it
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Sam Milligan" <padraig_ruad at>
Reply-To: ansteorra-archery at
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:17:21 -0400

>Sorry about the massive snippage Willim, but I wanted to address some
specific points in what you wrote.
>Speaking as a heavy fighter who is also an authorized combat archer, I have
to say that I too am concerned with safety issues.  I want to play the game
with the absolute munimum of injuries possible.  However, I know that every
time I armor up and face an> opponent or take part in a melee, there is a
possibility that I am going to get hurt, perhaps seriously.  By signing the
waiver section of the membership application form, and then by signing my
blue membership card, I acknowledge this.
>Can we make SCA combat in general safer, so that no one ever gets hurt?
Almost certainly.  But if we do so, most of us will simply stop fighting,
for there will be no excitement, no adrenaline rush, no thrill of combat, no
reason to do it at all.
>Can we make issues like combat archery safer by requiring everyone to wear
safety glasses?  Possibly.  Personally, I would intensely dislike having to
wear safety glasses under my helm, as I sweat heavily in armor, and would be
more than half blinded by t>he resulting fog on the glasses.  I feel this
would prove more of a safety issue than the possibility of a bounced-back
arrow or some other object getting in through my helm's grill.
>I have been in numerous melees with combat archery, and have yet to
experience or observe someone injured by the nock end of a combat arrow.
Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I've not seen it myself, nor do I know
anyone who has spoken of seeing or ex>periencing such an injury.
>I like having combat archery in melees - it adds a dimension of reality to
the game (even if it is annoying to get taken out by an arrow or a bolt
instead of in face-to-face fighting).  I don't want to see it made so safe
that it won't make a difference i>f it's there or not.  I don't see that a
real problem exists here - let's not fix what's not broken.
>Just my 2 pence worth.
>Nunc Est Bibendum
>Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.
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