ARCH - Interesting

[Eadric Anstapa]

Actually the Society max for combat crossbows according to the Current
Missile Combat Rules (available via the web pages)  is 1000 inch-pounds for
Golf-tube arrows and 600 inch-pounds for fiberglass or wood shafted arrows.

I dunno about the 40# thing for golf-tube bows.  I have for a long time
thought that was interesting.  Is anyone in this kingdom using Golf-tube
arrows?  As siege weapons/ballista are becoming more common it seems like it
might be prudent not to allow the use of golftubes with bows and instead
just restrict them to siege weapons to avoids confusion.

-Eadric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at seacove.net>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: ARCH - Interesting


> I've always wondered about that 40 vs 50lb thing. Why did we shoot
ourselves
> in the foot on that on so to speak?  I know there aren't very many folks
> around that use golf tube arrows, but still.  If you go some where else
that
> uses them, you're at a big disadvantage because your equipment is 20%
weaker
> from the start.
>
> Also, if I'm not mistaken, isn't the Society max for combat crossbows
> 650inch pounds?  So why is ours 600?  Or do we just like spotting everyone
> else 50inch pounds?
>
> Great catch on the footpounds.  I guess some times it's the forest for the
> trees type of thing.
>
> Gilli
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at barley.scabrewer.com>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: ARCH - Interesting
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry C. Billings" <psobaka at mail.myriad.net>
> > > IIRC SCA rules take president over Kingdom rules. IOW you measure from
> the
> > > riser back to get your 28 inches. If our arrows are 28 inches from the
> > > bottom of the knock to the base of the head and our marshals know how
to
> > and
> > > check bows for draw weight as well as check arrows this is not a
> problem,
> > > but should be corrected as expidently as possible.
> >
> > Doesn't really apply here.  The MINIMUM standards are set by the
Society.
> > Individual Kingdoms are entitled to me more strict.  The way it is
worded
> > now, although weird and wrong, is actually more restrictive and limiting
> on
> > the weight of bow than is the Society standards.
> >
> > I really like the way the society standards are written.  It is
extremely
> > clear how draw length/weight should be measured (28" from center of
riser)
> > and how arrow length is to be measured (28" from just behind head/blunt
to
> > bottom of slot in nock).
> >
> > These are two separate measurements.  The length of arrow is limited so
> that
> > people can not over-draw and get more weight/force/thrust out of their
bow
> > and draw length definition is so that there is a clear measurement for
> > checking the 30# or 40# bows.  Yep that's right folks the SCA standard
for
> > Heavy/Golf-tube bows is 50#, the Ansteorran limit is 40#.
> >
> > In reading the Ansteorran Complete Participants Handbook more carefully
> and
> > looking for similar mistakes (Since Gilli brought it up) I see that it
is
> > worse than I could imagine.
> >
> > Section 6, subsection II. Paragraph A., Subparagraph 2a says:
> >
> > a. Have a maximum strength of thirty (30) foot pounds at 28" draw using
> > legal wooden or
> > fiberglass shafted quarrels.
> >
> > NOTICE is says 30 FOOT pounds.  That is way different than simple
pounds.
> > Since 28" is 2.33 feet that means that According to the Complete
> > Participants Handbook using this statement and the also included
> definition
> > of "draw" the maximum draw weight for a bow is Ansteorra as
traditionally
> > measured by modern and AMO standards will be 12.86 pounds.
> >
> > It seems clear that whoever wrote this was mixing Crossbow and Handbow
> > standards without success.  The draw length for a crossbow is measured
> from
> > the string at rest (not the bow/prod) to the nut (they call this the
> > power-stroke of the bow) and the maximum draw weight for crossbows is
> > expressed in Inch-pounds.
> >
> > What is more strange is that I know that there are many marshals out
> there,
> > myself included, who have read these rules a number of times.  Why have
we
> > not noticed these mistakes before?  I guess when you are an experienced
> > marshal and you read these it is easy to read what you know rather than
> what
> > is actually there.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Eadric
>
>
>
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