ARCH - Royal Round announcements

Wed Feb 21 03:35:48 PST 2001

Greetings and Hi There,

IMHO the proper answer for the Seneschal that's asked about achery practice
would be, " Here's the phone number of our Archery Marshal.  He/she can
answer all your questions on archery."

Here is what "The Rules" say:
    All competing archers are required to hold SCA Membership. Status may be
confirmed with the Registry. The competition may be shot at any official
Kingdom or local event (regular practice sessions which are periodically
announced in the appropriate newsletter count as official events--otherwise,
official events are all those announced in the appropriate Kingdom or local
newsletter). Major events, such as Estrella War, or major local events, that
are held before April 1, may be granted official scoring if requested well
in advance in writing.

It does not specify you must have the exact time.  If so, even events would
be in trouble if they could only shoot at a particular time.

The whole purpose of these competitions is to promote archery.  The more
restrictive you get the less promoting you are doing.  Say a particular
competition that some one comes up with says that you must wear a slicker
and quoate Shakspear while standing on their left foot while shooting.
That's great.  Those are the rules for that competition.  But they aren't
the rules for the IKAC or IKCAC unless that's just how someone wants to
shoot their score that way.

If folks want to limit, for whatever reason, when they can shoot; that's
fine.  They can do that.  _But_ the "rules" don't do it.  Other than having
to be *periodically* announced, the rules don't limit when you can shoot.

Now, that word *periodically* needs a quick look at.  Regular practices
don't have to be announced monthly. As with many SCA things the wording is
intentionally vague.  Every other month or even quarterly is fine.

And yes, the IKAC and IKCAC do fall under the require a marshall to be
there.

Now we can do all the rule lawyering we want.  And perhaps we should to come
up with what we want.  And perhaps, but I dought it, this new guy that will
be running the IKAC and IKCAC will be a bit differant.  But so far it's been
just want Sir Jon came up with.  Now ofcourse over the years little
modifications here and there have come into place.  And I'm probably not the
only one who susgested some of them.

I know the following is going to come back to haunt me, but when did that
ever stop me?  Here's pretty much the bottom line for me.  I've been running
IKCAC and IKAC competitions here in the Kingdom for about 12 years.  I have
spent many hours and lots of dollars on the phone with Sir Jon over the
years.  I've had many of the same questions and got them answered from the
source.  During that time the Kingdom has won 1st place in the IKCAC twice.
So what does that mean?  It means that with that and 80cents I can get a
soda at work.  It also means two other things.  1) I'm not stearing us
wrong, and 2) if you want to be restrictive in this particular matter, you
can; however the rules aren't doing it to you.

PLEASE don't get me wrong.  I am not saying it's my way or the highway, nope
not me.  There is more than one way to peel an onion.  If the way you're
doing it is working for you, GREAT.  Perhaps some day this less restrictive
and equally legal way of doing it will work for you too.  But in the mean
time, if it works, don't fix it.

We have a basic schedule: lunch on Tuesdays and Thursdays and on Sundays
(time dependant on the temperature of the year).  But we also say that each
day is archery practice and to contact the marshal so that when the
opportunity is there and we feel right, we can shoot for score.  It works
for us.  It's legal.  Our only hang up is that sometimes a marshal can't be
there so we can't shoot for score.  But in our case we shoot any way.  Can't
stop them.  It's an archery range on a military installation being used by
authorized personnel.

Gilli

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eadric Anstapa" <eadric at barley.scabrewer.com>
To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: ARCH - Royal Round announcements

> Gilli, If that's the way you run things I can not tell you no, but that's
> not the way we do it here.
>
> Our newsletters announce specific dates and times and on those dates we
> record scores.  We have an authorized and warranted marshal committed to
be
> at the range on those days and times, the location is announced and it
> becomes an official SCA event covered and governed by SCA policy.
>
> The SCA by-laws clearly state:
>
> "Society events must be sponsored by branches of the Society, registered
> with the Seneschal of the sponsoring branch and publicized at least to the
> membership of that branch, and conducted according to Society rules."
>
> That means to me that a person should be able to pickup the phone, call
the
> local seneschal and ask "Is an Archery practice being held today?"  "Where
> is the practice being held?" and get an answer.  If the seneschal of the
> group didn't know it was happening then it wasn't an SCA event.  You
should
> also be able pickup the local newsletter and get that information.  See
> http://www.sca.org/docs/corpora.hbk.html for that specific little bit from
> corpora.
>
> Our newsletter also says more generically that the marshals are available
> and hold archery practices evenings and weekends and to contact the
marshals
> for more information.  On these impromptu evening and weekend practices
> (which take place quite often since Iaen, Talmon and I only live about a
> half-mile apart) we do not keep scores because date/time/location were not
> announced in advance and there was no opportunity for others to show up.
> Finally, since we don't bother to get in touch with the seneschal every
time
> we want to shoot we cant call those SCA events.
>
> My personal bests and bet Iaens also have been shot on those evenings when
> everything just felt right so we went out and did some archery.  We never
> recorded to scores and often don't even keep track.  Seeing the arrow hit
> the gold is enough.
>
> Remember that the IKAC, IKCAC, and Winter Shoot are privately sponsored
> shoots and the sponsors can do whatever they want.
>
> To shoot an IKAC you don't have to have a warranted marshal present but
you
> do have to have announced it (although it seems Sir Jon was rather liberal
> on his definition of exactly what constitutes being announced).
>
> The Winter Shoot wants you to have a properly authorized marshal but they
> don't seem to care about prior announcement.
>
> What we are striving to do with the Royal Rounds and what other kingdoms
> have done is to develop an Official SCA sponsored and recognized
achievement
> system and my understanding has always been that because of that the
> recorded score must be shot at official SCA events.
>
> In Service,
>
> Eadric
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Dewart" <gilli at seacove.net>
> To: <ansteorra-archery at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: ARCH - Royal Round announcements
>
>
> > Guys, here's how you deal with the scheduling thing.  And this method
came
> > straight from the lips of Sir Jon over my telephone a few years back.
For
> > those of you who may not know; Sir Jon was the founder and Keeper of the
> > IKAC and IKCAC for 20+ years and just recently stepped down as Society
> > Archery Marshal.
> >
> > Schedule everyday as an archery practice and to coordinate with the
local
> > marshal as to actual time and place.  This way it's covered.  It's
legal.
> > IT WORKS.  You'll never again miss an opportunity to shoot.  Middleford
> has
> > been doing it this way for about TEN years now.
> >
> > I've put this out before.  I'll be happy to do it again, and again, and
> > again.
> >
> > Gilli
> >
>
>
>
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